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Esteban Invernizzi
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      02-20-2006, 10:02 PM
Hi to all. I've got a dual boot box with linux mandrake 10.0 in one
partition, and Win XP in another one. I want to get my ADSL connection
running on both OSes. I've already got it working under Win XP, since
the OEM brings XP drivers. As I need to test some things I've been
learning about linux networking, I'm willing to install my ZyXEL
Prestige 600 Series USB Modem under linux. The thing is, I can't find
the proper driver :S. I've found an apparently compatible driver (for
630-11) but I don't have the enough knowledge to install it. It asks to
change the kernel config, and I'm not confident if this is reliable.
I've found instructions on how to do it on
http://www.skynet.ie/~caolan/TechTex...-11-HowTo.html . It says
things about "now do your normal make; make modules; make
modules_install...", but I don't know what the hell this all means. I'm
just using KDE and know a restricted set of commands (not so restricted,
but I need instruction to do things like this). Being a former Windows
user I know just a bit about compiling (with Win based IDEs, I studied C
for about 2 years since being 12 yo). If anyone could please tell me
where to learn the basic concepts about ALL this stuff in a relatively
short time, I'd be plased. It'd also be helpful if someone has any
drivers for the modem/kind of modem I'm trying to install. TIA, Esteban
 
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      02-20-2006, 11:38 PM
Esteban Invernizzi wrote:

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> I've found an apparently compatible driver (for
> 630-11) but I don't have the enough knowledge to install it. It asks to
> change the kernel config, and I'm not confident if this is reliable.
> I've found instructions on how to do it on
> http://www.skynet.ie/~caolan/TechTex...-11-HowTo.html . It says
> things about "now do your normal make; make modules; make
> modules_install...", but I don't know what the hell this all means.


<snip>

In the kernel source directory is a file called README which explains it in
some detail, but there is much more information here:

http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/K...ild-HOWTO.html
 
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Steven Jones
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      02-21-2006, 10:20 AM
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:02:52 -0300, Esteban Invernizzi wrote:

> Hi to all. I've got a dual boot box with linux mandrake 10.0 in one
> partition, and Win XP in another one. I want to get my ADSL connection
> running on both OSes. I've already got it working under Win XP, since the
> OEM brings XP drivers. As I need to test some things I've been learning
> about linux networking, I'm willing to install my ZyXEL Prestige 600
> Series USB Modem under linux. The thing is, I can't find the proper driver
> :S. I've found an apparently compatible driver (for 630-11) but I don't
> have the enough knowledge to install it. It asks to change the kernel
> config, and I'm not confident if this is reliable. I've found instructions
> on how to do it on
> http://www.skynet.ie/~caolan/TechTex...-11-HowTo.html . It says
> things about "now do your normal make; make modules; make
> modules_install...", but I don't know what the hell this all means. I'm
> just using KDE and know a restricted set of commands (not so restricted,
> but I need instruction to do things like this). Being a former Windows
> user I know just a bit about compiling (with Win based IDEs, I studied C
> for about 2 years since being 12 yo). If anyone could please tell me where
> to learn the basic concepts about ALL this stuff in a relatively short
> time, I'd be plased. It'd also be helpful if someone has any drivers for
> the modem/kind of modem I'm trying to install. TIA, Esteban


Does this modem not have an Ethernet port? If it does, you'd be far
better off using it, rather than the USB one. If it doesn't, you might
like to consider trading it for one that does. USB modems are a constant
source of pain, and they impose an extra load on your computer, for with
them, your CPU must take care of some of the processing that your Ethernet
card would carry out, had you used such interface.



 
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Esteban Invernizzi
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      02-21-2006, 12:14 PM
Steven Jones wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:02:52 -0300, Esteban Invernizzi wrote:
>
>> Hi to all. I've got a dual boot box with linux mandrake 10.0 in one
>> partition, and Win XP in another one. I want to get my ADSL connection
>> running on both OSes. I've already got it working under Win XP, since the
>> OEM brings XP drivers. As I need to test some things I've been learning
>> about linux networking, I'm willing to install my ZyXEL Prestige 600
>> Series USB Modem under linux. The thing is, I can't find the proper driver
>> :S. I've found an apparently compatible driver (for 630-11) but I don't
>> have the enough knowledge to install it. It asks to change the kernel
>> config, and I'm not confident if this is reliable. I've found instructions
>> on how to do it on
>> http://www.skynet.ie/~caolan/TechTex...-11-HowTo.html . It says
>> things about "now do your normal make; make modules; make
>> modules_install...", but I don't know what the hell this all means. I'm
>> just using KDE and know a restricted set of commands (not so restricted,
>> but I need instruction to do things like this). Being a former Windows
>> user I know just a bit about compiling (with Win based IDEs, I studied C
>> for about 2 years since being 12 yo). If anyone could please tell me where
>> to learn the basic concepts about ALL this stuff in a relatively short
>> time, I'd be plased. It'd also be helpful if someone has any drivers for
>> the modem/kind of modem I'm trying to install. TIA, Esteban

>
> Does this modem not have an Ethernet port? If it does, you'd be far
> better off using it, rather than the USB one. If it doesn't, you might
> like to consider trading it for one that does. USB modems are a constant
> source of pain, and they impose an extra load on your computer, for with
> them, your CPU must take care of some of the processing that your Ethernet
> card would carry out, had you used such interface.
>


The modem doesn't have an Ethernet port, but even if it had, I'm already
using my Ehternet card on a home LAN. There's no problem with CPU time,
it's been a year since I first put my P4 3.0 MHz together and I still
feel comfortable using it. Besides, I've got the USB modem free of
charge when I hired my ADSL connection, but it is my ISP's modem, not
mine, I can't trade by now. Thanks for the attention,
Esteban
 
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      02-21-2006, 02:47 PM
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:14:16 -0300, Esteban Invernizzi wrote:

> Steven Jones wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:02:52 -0300, Esteban Invernizzi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi to all. I've got a dual boot box with linux mandrake 10.0 in one
>>> partition, and Win XP in another one. I want to get my ADSL connection
>>> running on both OSes. I've already got it working under Win XP, since
>>> the OEM brings XP drivers. As I need to test some things I've been
>>> learning about linux networking, I'm willing to install my ZyXEL
>>> Prestige 600 Series USB Modem under linux. The thing is, I can't find
>>> the proper driver
>>> :S. I've found an apparently compatible driver (for 630-11) but I don't
>>> have the enough knowledge to install it. It asks to change the kernel
>>> config, and I'm not confident if this is reliable. I've found
>>> instructions on how to do it on
>>> http://www.skynet.ie/~caolan/TechTex...-11-HowTo.html . It
>>> says things about "now do your normal make; make modules; make
>>> modules_install...", but I don't know what the hell this all means. I'm
>>> just using KDE and know a restricted set of commands (not so
>>> restricted, but I need instruction to do things like this). Being a
>>> former Windows user I know just a bit about compiling (with Win based
>>> IDEs, I studied C for about 2 years since being 12 yo). If anyone could
>>> please tell me where to learn the basic concepts about ALL this stuff
>>> in a relatively short time, I'd be plased. It'd also be helpful if
>>> someone has any drivers for the modem/kind of modem I'm trying to
>>> install. TIA, Esteban

>>
>> Does this modem not have an Ethernet port? If it does, you'd be far
>> better off using it, rather than the USB one. If it doesn't, you might
>> like to consider trading it for one that does. USB modems are a constant
>> source of pain, and they impose an extra load on your computer, for with
>> them, your CPU must take care of some of the processing that your
>> Ethernet card would carry out, had you used such interface.
>>
>>

> The modem doesn't have an Ethernet port, but even if it had, I'm already
> using my Ehternet card on a home LAN.


That's not a problem - you just have to get a cheap hub. As a bonus, you
will be able to have Internet access from all the computers in your LAN
simultaneously.

> There's no problem with CPU time,
> it's been a year since I first put my P4 3.0 MHz together and I still
> feel comfortable using it.


It's not only performance; it's reliability as well. USB is a relatively
new standard, and different vendors implement it in slightly different
ways. Compatibility is going to be an issue. In part of this, and
also because of the fact that they force your PC's CPU to do extra
processing, USB modems are liable to drop the connection frequently.

> Besides, I've got the USB modem free of charge when I hired my ADSL
> connection, but it is my ISP's modem, not mine, I can't trade by now.


You might like to have a chat with your ISP and see if they can give
you with one that has an Ethernet port instead. With my current provider,
the ADSL modem that they supply by default is USB-only. I told them I'd
rather have one with an Ethernet port (besides the USB port) and they
complied with no questions. Maybe yours will do so as well?

You are already experiencing the inconvenience of a USB modem. First, you
have to build an ad hoc kernel. Second, you'll have to compile a driver
into the kernel, and this driver is "apparently compatible" with your
modem. Well, it might, or might not. Or it might be only partially
compatible. If you use Ethernet instead, you won't have compatibility
problems, and you won't have to touch your kernel.

Do yourself a favor, try and get your provider to give you an ADSL modem
with an Ethernet port.



 
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      02-21-2006, 04:28 PM
Steven Jones wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:14:16 -0300, Esteban Invernizzi wrote:
>
>> Steven Jones wrote:
>>

<snip>
>>>
>>> Does this modem not have an Ethernet port? If it does, you'd be far
>>> better off using it, rather than the USB one. If it doesn't, you might
>>> like to consider trading it for one that does. USB modems are a constant
>>> source of pain, and they impose an extra load on your computer, for with
>>> them, your CPU must take care of some of the processing that your
>>> Ethernet card would carry out, had you used such interface.
>>>
>>>

>> The modem doesn't have an Ethernet port, but even if it had, I'm already
>> using my Ehternet card on a home LAN.

>
> That's not a problem - you just have to get a cheap hub. As a bonus, you
> will be able to have Internet access from all the computers in your LAN
> simultaneously.
>


I must be missing something here ... if his *modem* requires USB, not
ethernet, how is a hub going to help?

<snip>

> You might like to have a chat with your ISP and see if they can give
> you with one that has an Ethernet port instead. With my current provider,
> the ADSL modem that they supply by default is USB-only. I told them I'd
> rather have one with an Ethernet port (besides the USB port) and they
> complied with no questions. Maybe yours will do so as well?
>
> You are already experiencing the inconvenience of a USB modem. First, you
> have to build an ad hoc kernel. Second, you'll have to compile a driver
> into the kernel, and this driver is "apparently compatible" with your
> modem. Well, it might, or might not. Or it might be only partially
> compatible. If you use Ethernet instead, you won't have compatibility
> problems, and you won't have to touch your kernel.
>
> Do yourself a favor, try and get your provider to give you an ADSL modem
> with an Ethernet port.


Good advice. I would only add that if they question you, tell them it is
about performance. If you tell them it is so you can use Linux, they are
likely to come back with: 'we don't support linux.'

 
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      02-21-2006, 05:07 PM
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:28:05 +0000, James J. Dines wrote:

> Steven Jones wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:14:16 -0300, Esteban Invernizzi wrote:
>>
>>> Steven Jones wrote:
>>>

> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Does this modem not have an Ethernet port? If it does, you'd be far
>>>> better off using it, rather than the USB one. If it doesn't, you might
>>>> like to consider trading it for one that does. USB modems are a
>>>> constant source of pain, and they impose an extra load on your
>>>> computer, for with them, your CPU must take care of some of the
>>>> processing that your Ethernet card would carry out, had you used such
>>>> interface.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The modem doesn't have an Ethernet port, but even if it had, I'm
>>> already using my Ehternet card on a home LAN.

>>
>> That's not a problem - you just have to get a cheap hub. As a bonus, you
>> will be able to have Internet access from all the computers in your LAN
>> simultaneously.
>>
>>

> I must be missing something here ... if his *modem* requires USB, not
> ethernet, how is a hub going to help?


My apologies; I did not formulate that clearly. My remark just aimed
to clarify that the fact that he's using his Ethernet card for his home
LAN does not imply that he can't use an Ethernet ADSL modem.

>> You might like to have a chat with your ISP and see if they can give
>> you with one that has an Ethernet port instead. With my current
>> provider, the ADSL modem that they supply by default is USB-only. I
>> told them I'd rather have one with an Ethernet port (besides the USB
>> port) and they complied with no questions. Maybe yours will do so as
>> well?
>>
>> You are already experiencing the inconvenience of a USB modem. First,
>> you have to build an ad hoc kernel. Second, you'll have to compile a
>> driver into the kernel, and this driver is "apparently compatible" with
>> your modem. Well, it might, or might not. Or it might be only partially
>> compatible. If you use Ethernet instead, you won't have compatibility
>> problems, and you won't have to touch your kernel.
>>
>> Do yourself a favor, try and get your provider to give you an ADSL
>> modem with an Ethernet port.

>
> Good advice. I would only add that if they question you, tell them it
> is about performance. If you tell them it is so you can use Linux, they
> are likely to come back with: 'we don't support linux.'


Yes - don't give them any excuses to refuse replacing your modem.


 
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