ADSL pre-orders

Our local exchange is due to be activated on 11 May 2005. I have been
looking at the possibility of pre-ordering ADSL (will wait until
towards the end of April in view of the current turmoil in ADSL
pricing / packages).

However, in response to a query PlusNet said that although most ISPs
will accept pre-orders, no ISP can submit an order until the exchange
is active. So, there will be a 5 to 7 day wait after the exchange is
activated before the service will be provided.

Is the PlusNet statement correct? I do not see how this ties in with
the some of the postings in this group where people appear to have a
service on the day their exchange is activated.

I had to wait two weeks for my line to be activated, I complained to BT and
they said the date was chosen by my ISP, Metronet, they said they asked for
the earliest possible date.

I had put my pre-order in to Metronet six weeks before the exchange
activation date.

I wonder if it makes any difference if you choose BT as you ISP.

Roger

"Colin Mansell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed)...
> Our local exchange is due to be activated on 11 May 2005. I have been
> looking at the possibility of pre-ordering ADSL (will wait until
> towards the end of April in view of the current turmoil in ADSL
> pricing / packages).
>
> However, in response to a query PlusNet said that although most ISPs
> will accept pre-orders, no ISP can submit an order until the exchange
> is active. So, there will be a 5 to 7 day wait after the exchange is
> activated before the service will be provided.
>
> Is the PlusNet statement correct? I do not see how this ties in with
> the some of the postings in this group where people appear to have a
> service on the day their exchange is activated.
>
>

On the Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:09:59 +0000, Colin Mansell uttered forth the
following...
> Is the PlusNet statement correct? I do not see how this ties in with
> the some of the postings in this group where people appear to have a
> service on the day their exchange is activated.
>

My local exchange was enabled on the 2nd of July last year and I was up
and running by the 10th. This was with PlusNet.

Roger wrote:
> I had to wait two weeks for my line to be activated, I complained
> to BT and they said the date was chosen by my ISP, Metronet, they
> said they asked for the earliest possible date.
>
> I had put my pre-order in to Metronet six weeks before the exchange
> activation date.

What's a "pre-order" - ?? If I go into a bookshop (say) and the book I
want isn't in stock, I order it. You order something that isn't available
and you get it when it is, so what's "pre" ordering..?

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Roger wrote:
> > I had to wait two weeks for my line to be activated, I complained
> > to BT and they said the date was chosen by my ISP, Metronet, they
> > said they asked for the earliest possible date.
> >
> > I had put my pre-order in to Metronet six weeks before the exchange
> > activation date.
>
> What's a "pre-order" - ?? If I go into a bookshop (say) and the book I
> want isn't in stock, I order it. You order something that isn't available
> and you get it when it is, so what's "pre" ordering..?

If you go into a bookshop and ask for a book that's not been published yet,
you are able to 'pre-order' it. Same applies for exchanges that do not have
ADSL capability, but are going to be upgraded.

I think most people would use 'order' for something that exists (whether it
is available or not; in stock / out of stock). 'Pre-order' would be used for
something that doesn't exist.

I thought this group was supposed to be about broadband not the use of the
English language.


"Ivor Jones" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Roger wrote:
>> I had to wait two weeks for my line to be activated, I complained
>> to BT and they said the date was chosen by my ISP, Metronet, they
>> said they asked for the earliest possible date.
>>
>> I had put my pre-order in to Metronet six weeks before the exchange
>> activation date.
>
> What's a "pre-order" - ?? If I go into a bookshop (say) and the book I
> want isn't in stock, I order it. You order something that isn't available
> and you get it when it is, so what's "pre" ordering..?
>
> Ivor
>
>
>

Preorder \Pre*or"der\, v. t. To order to arrange beforehand; to
foreordain. --Sir W. Hamilton. [1913 Webster]

Source: The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.44


http://www.dictionary.net/preorder

lol


"Roger" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>I thought this group was supposed to be about broadband not the use of the
>English language.
>
>
> "Ivor Jones" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Roger wrote:
>>> I had to wait two weeks for my line to be activated, I complained
>>> to BT and they said the date was chosen by my ISP, Metronet, they
>>> said they asked for the earliest possible date.
>>>
>>> I had put my pre-order in to Metronet six weeks before the exchange
>>> activation date.
>>
>> What's a "pre-order" - ?? If I go into a bookshop (say) and the book I
>> want isn't in stock, I order it. You order something that isn't available
>> and you get it when it is, so what's "pre" ordering..?
>>
>> Ivor
>>
>>
>>
>
>

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
"Grumps" <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
> "Ivor Jones" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Roger wrote:
> > > I had to wait two weeks for my line to be activated, I complained
> > > to BT and they said the date was chosen by my ISP, Metronet, they
> > > said they asked for the earliest possible date.
> > >
> > > I had put my pre-order in to Metronet six weeks before the exchange
> > > activation date.
> >
> > What's a "pre-order" - ?? If I go into a bookshop (say) and the book I
> > want isn't in stock, I order it. You order something that isn't available
> > and you get it when it is, so what's "pre" ordering..?
>
> If you go into a bookshop and ask for a book that's not been published yet,
> you are able to 'pre-order' it. Same applies for exchanges that do not have
> ADSL capability, but are going to be upgraded.
>
> I think most people would use 'order' for something that exists (whether it
> is available or not; in stock / out of stock). 'Pre-order' would be used for
> something that doesn't exist.

The fundamental difference between an `order' and a `pre-order' is that
something that's ordered definitely does exist, while something that's
pre-ordered doesn't exist yet, and indeed may never exist.
--
SAm. All sweeping generalisations are false

Sam Nelson wrote:
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
> "Grumps" <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>> "Ivor Jones" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Roger wrote:
>>>> I had to wait two weeks for my line to be activated, I complained
>>>> to BT and they said the date was chosen by my ISP, Metronet, they
>>>> said they asked for the earliest possible date.
>>>>
>>>> I had put my pre-order in to Metronet six weeks before the
>>>> exchange activation date.
>>>
>>> What's a "pre-order" - ?? If I go into a bookshop (say) and the
>>> book I want isn't in stock, I order it. You order something that
>>> isn't available and you get it when it is, so what's "pre"
>>> ordering..?
>>
>> If you go into a bookshop and ask for a book that's not been
>> published yet, you are able to 'pre-order' it. Same applies for
>> exchanges that do not have ADSL capability, but are going to be
>> upgraded.
>>
>> I think most people would use 'order' for something that exists
>> (whether it is available or not; in stock / out of stock).
>> 'Pre-order' would be used for something that doesn't exist.
>
> The fundamental difference between an `order' and a `pre-order' is
> that something that's ordered definitely does exist, while
> something that's pre-ordered doesn't exist yet, and indeed may
> never exist.

So why does WH Smith always have big signs in the window trying to get me
to "pre-order" the latest Harry Potter (or whatever) book..? Surely that
does exist, even if it's not in the shops or published yet..?

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Sam Nelson wrote:
> > In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
> > "Grumps" <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
> >> "Ivor Jones" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>> Roger wrote:
> >>>> I had to wait two weeks for my line to be activated, I complained
> >>>> to BT and they said the date was chosen by my ISP, Metronet, they
> >>>> said they asked for the earliest possible date.
> >>>>
> >>>> I had put my pre-order in to Metronet six weeks before the
> >>>> exchange activation date.
> >>>
> >>> What's a "pre-order" - ?? If I go into a bookshop (say) and the
> >>> book I want isn't in stock, I order it. You order something that
> >>> isn't available and you get it when it is, so what's "pre"
> >>> ordering..?
> >>
> >> If you go into a bookshop and ask for a book that's not been
> >> published yet, you are able to 'pre-order' it. Same applies for
> >> exchanges that do not have ADSL capability, but are going to be
> >> upgraded.
> >>
> >> I think most people would use 'order' for something that exists
> >> (whether it is available or not; in stock / out of stock).
> >> 'Pre-order' would be used for something that doesn't exist.
> >
> > The fundamental difference between an `order' and a `pre-order' is
> > that something that's ordered definitely does exist, while
> > something that's pre-ordered doesn't exist yet, and indeed may
> > never exist.
>
> So why does WH Smith always have big signs in the window trying to get me
> to "pre-order" the latest Harry Potter (or whatever) book..? Surely that
> does exist, even if it's not in the shops or published yet..?

As soon as JKR has conned enough people into pre-ordering, then she'll go
and write it.