ADSL MAX - No changes in sync rate?

Hi

My ADSL MAX service with BT aparrently went live on Monday. BT reckon I may
be able to get 2.5Mbps out of my line. I've not received any letters or
emails to confirm the change, but BT insist the change is 'complete'.

However, I've been checking my router (Voyager 2091) frequently for the last
4 days and it's stayed connected at 1Mbps/256Kbps the whole time, the same
speed that I've had for a year. I've even tried rebooting the router.

Am I being particularly impatient or have BT failed to upgrade me? I can't
help being sceptical, as BT insisted a year ago that they'd connected me to
ADSL onlt to find 3 weeks later that they'd forgotten to connect me at the
exchange :-/ ).

I've pasted the router stats below:

Line Mode G.DMT Line State Show Time
Latency Type Fast Line Up Time 00:01:14:50
Line Coding Trellis On Line Up Count 2

Statistics Downstream Upstream
Line Rate 1152 Kbps 288 Kbps
Noise Margin 15.9 dB 20.0 dB
Line Attenuation 63.0 dB 31.5 dB
Output Power 16.9 dBm 11.8 dBm


Thanks in advance for your help!

Matt

Matt wrote:
> Hi
>
> My ADSL MAX service with BT aparrently went live on Monday. BT
> reckon
> I may be able to get 2.5Mbps out of my line. I've not received any
> letters or emails to confirm the change, but BT insist the change is
> 'complete'.
> However, I've been checking my router (Voyager 2091) frequently for
> the last 4 days and it's stayed connected at 1Mbps/256Kbps the whole
> time, the same speed that I've had for a year. I've even tried
> rebooting the router.
> Am I being particularly impatient or have BT failed to upgrade me? I
> can't help being sceptical, as BT insisted a year ago that they'd
> connected me to ADSL onlt to find 3 weeks later that they'd
> forgotten
> to connect me at the exchange :-/ ).
>
> I've pasted the router stats below:
>
> Line Mode G.DMT Line State Show Time
> Latency Type Fast Line Up Time 00:01:14:50
> Line Coding Trellis On Line Up Count 2
>
> Statistics Downstream Upstream
> Line Rate 1152 Kbps 288 Kbps
> Noise Margin 15.9 dB 20.0 dB
> Line Attenuation 63.0 dB 31.5 dB
> Output Power 16.9 dBm 11.8 dBm
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!

Firstly don't post pretty little gifs, of lines, on a text usenet
group, it's not appreciated..

Secondly try rebooting your router, even turning it off for several
minutes before turning it back on again, it's all it may need to get
the process going. Be prepared for a bit of a bumpy ride as it
'trains' down to your Max Stable Rate...

"kráftéé" <kraftee@dontspamkrafteeunless you know what'sgoodforu.pus.com>
wrote in message news:44c935b6$0$963$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Matt wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> My ADSL MAX service with BT aparrently went live on Monday. BT reckon
>> I may be able to get 2.5Mbps out of my line. I've not received any
>> letters or emails to confirm the change, but BT insist the change is
>> 'complete'.
>> However, I've been checking my router (Voyager 2091) frequently for
>> the last 4 days and it's stayed connected at 1Mbps/256Kbps the whole
>> time, the same speed that I've had for a year. I've even tried
>> rebooting the router.
>> Am I being particularly impatient or have BT failed to upgrade me? I
>> can't help being sceptical, as BT insisted a year ago that they'd
>> connected me to ADSL onlt to find 3 weeks later that they'd forgotten
>> to connect me at the exchange :-/ ).
>>
>> I've pasted the router stats below:
>>
>> Line Mode G.DMT Line State Show Time
>> Latency Type Fast Line Up Time 00:01:14:50
>> Line Coding Trellis On Line Up Count 2
>>
>> Statistics Downstream Upstream
>> Line Rate 1152 Kbps 288 Kbps
>> Noise Margin 15.9 dB 20.0 dB
>> Line Attenuation 63.0 dB 31.5 dB
>> Output Power 16.9 dBm 11.8 dBm
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help!
>
> Firstly don't post pretty little gifs, of lines, on a text usenet group,
> it's not appreciated..
>
> Secondly try rebooting your router, even turning it off for several
> minutes before turning it back on again, it's all it may need to get the
> process going. Be prepared for a bit of a bumpy ride as it 'trains' down
> to your Max Stable Rate...

Yes sorry about the gifs, I realised as soon as I'd hit send - It was due to
an incompatibility between me and Outlook Express! I wrongly assumed when OE
sends text to the ng, it only sends text :-( Apologies everyone!

I'll power down the router now for a while. I have tried a different router,
a Belkin, but this was also 1MBps, so I'm assuming you mean a period of
downtime should do the trick.

If it doesn't does that mean that I'm probably not on ADSL max?

TIA
Matt

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:09:22 +0100, "Matt"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>"kráftéé" <kraftee@dontspamkrafteeunless you know what'sgoodforu.pus.com>
>wrote in message news:44c935b6$0$963$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Matt wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> My ADSL MAX service with BT aparrently went live on Monday. BT reckon
>>> I may be able to get 2.5Mbps out of my line. I've not received any
>>> letters or emails to confirm the change, but BT insist the change is
>>> 'complete'.
>>> However, I've been checking my router (Voyager 2091) frequently for
>>> the last 4 days and it's stayed connected at 1Mbps/256Kbps the whole
>>> time, the same speed that I've had for a year. I've even tried
>>> rebooting the router.
>>> Am I being particularly impatient or have BT failed to upgrade me? I
>>> can't help being sceptical, as BT insisted a year ago that they'd
>>> connected me to ADSL onlt to find 3 weeks later that they'd forgotten
>>> to connect me at the exchange :-/ ).
>>>
>>> I've pasted the router stats below:
>>>
>>> Line Mode G.DMT Line State Show Time
>>> Latency Type Fast Line Up Time 00:01:14:50
>>> Line Coding Trellis On Line Up Count 2
>>>
>>> Statistics Downstream Upstream
>>> Line Rate 1152 Kbps 288 Kbps
>>> Noise Margin 15.9 dB 20.0 dB
>>> Line Attenuation 63.0 dB 31.5 dB
>>> Output Power 16.9 dBm 11.8 dBm
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your help!
>>
>> Firstly don't post pretty little gifs, of lines, on a text usenet group,
>> it's not appreciated..
>>
>> Secondly try rebooting your router, even turning it off for several
>> minutes before turning it back on again, it's all it may need to get the
>> process going. Be prepared for a bit of a bumpy ride as it 'trains' down
>> to your Max Stable Rate...
>
>Yes sorry about the gifs, I realised as soon as I'd hit send - It was due to
>an incompatibility between me and Outlook Express! I wrongly assumed when OE
>sends text to the ng, it only sends text :-( Apologies everyone!
>
>I'll power down the router now for a while. I have tried a different router,
>a Belkin, but this was also 1MBps, so I'm assuming you mean a period of
>downtime should do the trick.
>
>If it doesn't does that mean that I'm probably not on ADSL max?
>

Yes.

The easiest way to tell is usually by looking at the upstream synch
rate.

That will be 256 for non MAX, or 448 for MAX accounts, regardless of
your downstream rate.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
The best defense is to stay out of range.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

"Alex Heney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:09:22 +0100, "Matt"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>
>>"kráftéé" <kraftee@dontspamkrafteeunless you know what'sgoodforu.pus.com>
>>wrote in message
>>news:44c935b6$0$963$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Matt wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> My ADSL MAX service with BT aparrently went live on Monday. BT reckon
>>>> I may be able to get 2.5Mbps out of my line. I've not received any
>>>> letters or emails to confirm the change, but BT insist the change is
>>>> 'complete'.
>>>> However, I've been checking my router (Voyager 2091) frequently for
>>>> the last 4 days and it's stayed connected at 1Mbps/256Kbps the whole
>>>> time, the same speed that I've had for a year. I've even tried
>>>> rebooting the router.
>>>> Am I being particularly impatient or have BT failed to upgrade me? I
>>>> can't help being sceptical, as BT insisted a year ago that they'd
>>>> connected me to ADSL onlt to find 3 weeks later that they'd forgotten
>>>> to connect me at the exchange :-/ ).
>>>>
>>>> I've pasted the router stats below:
>>>>
>>>> Line Mode G.DMT Line State Show Time
>>>> Latency Type Fast Line Up Time 00:01:14:50
>>>> Line Coding Trellis On Line Up Count 2
>>>>
>>>> Statistics Downstream Upstream
>>>> Line Rate 1152 Kbps 288 Kbps
>>>> Noise Margin 15.9 dB 20.0 dB
>>>> Line Attenuation 63.0 dB 31.5 dB
>>>> Output Power 16.9 dBm 11.8 dBm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your help!
>>>
>>> Firstly don't post pretty little gifs, of lines, on a text usenet
>>> group,
>>> it's not appreciated..
>>>
>>> Secondly try rebooting your router, even turning it off for several
>>> minutes before turning it back on again, it's all it may need to get the
>>> process going. Be prepared for a bit of a bumpy ride as it 'trains'
>>> down
>>> to your Max Stable Rate...
>>
>>Yes sorry about the gifs, I realised as soon as I'd hit send - It was due
>>to
>>an incompatibility between me and Outlook Express! I wrongly assumed when
>>OE
>>sends text to the ng, it only sends text :-( Apologies everyone!
>>
>>I'll power down the router now for a while. I have tried a different
>>router,
>>a Belkin, but this was also 1MBps, so I'm assuming you mean a period of
>>downtime should do the trick.
>>
>>If it doesn't does that mean that I'm probably not on ADSL max?
>>
>
> Yes.
>
> The easiest way to tell is usually by looking at the upstream synch
> rate.
>
> That will be 256 for non MAX, or 448 for MAX accounts, regardless of
> your downstream rate.

It will be less than 448 on a poor line. I've seen several below 448,
some even as low as 288.
Not seen one as low as 256 though.

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:58:57 +0100, "Alastair" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>"Alex Heney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:09:22 +0100, "Matt"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"kráftéé" <kraftee@dontspamkrafteeunless you know what'sgoodforu.pus.com>
>>>wrote in message
>>>news:44c935b6$0$963$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> My ADSL MAX service with BT aparrently went live on Monday. BT reckon
>>>>> I may be able to get 2.5Mbps out of my line. I've not received any
>>>>> letters or emails to confirm the change, but BT insist the change is
>>>>> 'complete'.
>>>>> However, I've been checking my router (Voyager 2091) frequently for
>>>>> the last 4 days and it's stayed connected at 1Mbps/256Kbps the whole
>>>>> time, the same speed that I've had for a year. I've even tried
>>>>> rebooting the router.
>>>>> Am I being particularly impatient or have BT failed to upgrade me? I
>>>>> can't help being sceptical, as BT insisted a year ago that they'd
>>>>> connected me to ADSL onlt to find 3 weeks later that they'd forgotten
>>>>> to connect me at the exchange :-/ ).
>>>>>
>>>>> I've pasted the router stats below:
>>>>>
>>>>> Line Mode G.DMT Line State Show Time
>>>>> Latency Type Fast Line Up Time 00:01:14:50
>>>>> Line Coding Trellis On Line Up Count 2
>>>>>
>>>>> Statistics Downstream Upstream
>>>>> Line Rate 1152 Kbps 288 Kbps
>>>>> Noise Margin 15.9 dB 20.0 dB
>>>>> Line Attenuation 63.0 dB 31.5 dB
>>>>> Output Power 16.9 dBm 11.8 dBm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for your help!
>>>>
>>>> Firstly don't post pretty little gifs, of lines, on a text usenet
>>>> group,
>>>> it's not appreciated..
>>>>
>>>> Secondly try rebooting your router, even turning it off for several
>>>> minutes before turning it back on again, it's all it may need to get the
>>>> process going. Be prepared for a bit of a bumpy ride as it 'trains'
>>>> down
>>>> to your Max Stable Rate...
>>>
>>>Yes sorry about the gifs, I realised as soon as I'd hit send - It was due
>>>to
>>>an incompatibility between me and Outlook Express! I wrongly assumed when
>>>OE
>>>sends text to the ng, it only sends text :-( Apologies everyone!
>>>
>>>I'll power down the router now for a while. I have tried a different
>>>router,
>>>a Belkin, but this was also 1MBps, so I'm assuming you mean a period of
>>>downtime should do the trick.
>>>
>>>If it doesn't does that mean that I'm probably not on ADSL max?
>>>
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> The easiest way to tell is usually by looking at the upstream synch
>> rate.
>>
>> That will be 256 for non MAX, or 448 for MAX accounts, regardless of
>> your downstream rate.
>
>It will be less than 448 on a poor line. I've seen several below 448,
>some even as low as 288.
>Not seen one as low as 256 though.
>

That surprises me. I had understood it would always be 448.

Mine is, and I can only get a BRAS rate of 1500kbs, although I'm close
to getting 2000.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
"I'm not smart enough to lie" - Ronald Reagan
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

"Alex Heney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:58:57 +0100, "Alastair" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>>It will be less than 448 on a poor line. I've seen several below 448,
>>some even as low as 288.
>>Not seen one as low as 256 though.
>>
>
> That surprises me. I had understood it would always be 448.
>
> Mine is, and I can only get a BRAS rate of 1500kbs, although I'm close
> to getting 2000.

My home line is currently 2880/288

Downstream varies from around 1500 to 3900
Upstram varies from around 288 to 400 - never seen 448

>>If it doesn't [change sync rates] does that mean that I'm probably not on
>>ADSL max?
>>
>
> Yes.
>

Well, after two calls to BT 'confirming' existence of ADSL Max, a third call
got me through to an indian operator who actually checked the line and
confirmed, by the way of some Max checker tool, that there was no ADSL Max
service. So I'd waited 4 weeks for nothing. d'oh! (My order had been
'cancelled due to customer request').

The kind chaps at ordering have apparently now ordered me a new router,
fixed my monthlies at £14.99 for 12 months and sorted my ADSL max now...

Roll on mid-August....

Matt

kráftéé wrote:
> Be prepared for a bit of a bumpy ride as it
> 'trains' down to your Max Stable Rate...
>
Do you know what the parameters (num resyncs etc) are for the training
software?

Personally it changed nothing for me and I now force a lower down rate
to get stability.

I get taken down by noise - with a good correlation for
evenings/weekends being the worse. Maybe I just didn't drop enough/wait
long enough, or is it because I always resynced at roughly the same rate.

Day - resyncs (day 3 = Saturday)

1 - 4
2 - 4
3 - 23
4 - 15
5 - 14
6 - 3
7 - 0
8 - 5
9 - 16

I think I started reducing rate a bit here I use 5120 now it will sync
6880ish if I let it - target offered is still 6db.

Andy.