ADSL - faster speeds for long distance?

Much is being made of all these ramblings about next year being the year of
8Mb broadband, and 24Mb broadband and probably a plethora of numbers in
between.

My question is, as someone apparently 3.59km (straight line distance) from
the exchange, who enjoys his 1Mb connection immensely but would love it to
be faster, is 1Mb all I am ever likely to achieve?

If so, I wish they would shut up talking about future developments if I'm
never going to be able to get them!

D.

"David Wright" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Much is being made of all these ramblings about next year being the year
> of 8Mb broadband, and 24Mb broadband and probably a plethora of numbers in
> between.
>
> My question is, as someone apparently 3.59km (straight line distance) from
> the exchange, who enjoys his 1Mb connection immensely but would love it to
> be faster, is 1Mb all I am ever likely to achieve?
>
> If so, I wish they would shut up talking about future developments if I'm
> never going to be able to get them!
>
> D.
>

Well said I live 3.15kms straight line from the exchange but can only have
512kb.

Received the dreaded email below
Unfortunately, due to line quality and/or the distance from the broadband
exchange, your line currently does not support a faster speed and, as a
result, we have been unable to upgrade you on this occasion.

We do, however, expect improvements to your line in the future that may
provide you with a faster speed. We'll contact you when this is the case.

Is the second paragraph standard to the sorry emails?

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed)
says...
> Much is being made of all these ramblings about next year being the year of
> 8Mb broadband, and 24Mb broadband and probably a plethora of numbers in
> between.
>
> My question is, as someone apparently 3.59km (straight line distance) from
> the exchange, who enjoys his 1Mb connection immensely but would love it to
> be faster, is 1Mb all I am ever likely to achieve?
>
> If so, I wish they would shut up talking about future developments if I'm
> never going to be able to get them!

Depending on your attenuation and signal-to-noise ratio, ADSL2+ might
offer you some hope of slightly higher speeds - but it's mostly aimed at
increasing speeds for people closer to the exchange who can already get
2Mbit on ADSL.

Your best bet may well be waiting for Fibre to the cabinet, which I
believe is going to be part of BT's 21st Century Network. This will work
a little bit like the cable operators, who have a local copper network
of coax cables leading into a cabinet which then combines these signals
into an optical bundle which heads back to the distribution centre.

This offers the chance of having a very short local copper loop, meaning
technologies like ADSL2+ and VDSL (amongst other emerging DSL
technologies) can operate at their highest rated speed.

If you can get DSL at the moment, you won't be a priority to get the
FTTC trials, but don't give up hope, you'll get faster broadband some
time in the next 10 years.

Alex

> Depending on your attenuation and signal-to-noise ratio

Attenuation is 61db - was 59db until about 3 months ago. Always thought this
was too high for 1Mb, but has worked at nearly full speed since I was
upgraded.

> Your best bet may well be waiting for Fibre to the cabinet, which I
> believe is going to be part of BT's 21st Century Network. This will work
> a little bit like the cable operators, who have a local copper network
> of coax cables leading into a cabinet which then combines these signals
> into an optical bundle which heads back to the distribution centre.

This sounds interesting!

> you'll get faster broadband some time in the next 10 years.

I suffered on a 33.6k (later 56k) modem for 6 years, so I suppose I can
wait!

D.

rchick <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

: We do, however, expect improvements to your line in the future that may
: provide you with a faster speed. We'll contact you when this is the case.

: Is the second paragraph standard to the sorry emails?

It is likely that, at some point, BT may revise the attenuation limits
which they currently use to limit the various speeds (and which seem to be
set *VERY* conservatively), or perhaps allow ISPs to request higher speeds on
a "no penalty" basis to see if they will work.

For example I got (via a manual order) 2Mb on a 46dB line (limit should be
43dB) and it works perfectly!

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:47:13 +0100, "David Wright"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>My question is, as someone apparently 3.59km (straight line distance) from
>the exchange, who enjoys his 1Mb connection immensely but would love it to
>be faster, is 1Mb all I am ever likely to achieve?

probably not, ADSL2 for example adds a few hundred kbits/s and if you
had your line attenuation you may be able to see the potential for
going faster with a rate-adapting service.

Phil
--
Tiscali - dialup speeds at Broadband prices, see
http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/postlist...&Board=tiscali

AOL - the unlimited ISP of choice for heavy downloaders.

On 2005-10-19, Alex Crosby <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed)
> says...
>> My question is, as someone apparently 3.59km (straight line distance) from
>> the exchange, who enjoys his 1Mb connection immensely but would love it to
>> be faster, is 1Mb all I am ever likely to achieve?
>
> Depending on your attenuation and signal-to-noise ratio, ADSL2+ might
> offer you some hope of slightly higher speeds - but it's mostly aimed at
> increasing speeds for people closer to the exchange who can already get
> 2Mbit on ADSL.

You may find the graph at: http://www.internode.on.net/adsl2/graph/ of
interest. Note that this is not using the same equipment as BT, but it
gives some indication of the variations provided by the different
technologies.

Unfortunately from that it does rather look, as Alex said, that the
people who will benefit will be those that would already be able to get
2Mbit/s at the moment.

Glyn.

"Phil Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:47:13 +0100, "David Wright"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >My question is, as someone apparently 3.59km (straight line distance)
from
> >the exchange, who enjoys his 1Mb connection immensely but would love it
to
> >be faster, is 1Mb all I am ever likely to achieve?
>
> probably not, ADSL2 for example adds a few hundred kbits/s and if you
> had your line attenuation you may be able to see the potential for
> going faster with a rate-adapting service.
>
> Phil
> --
> Tiscali - dialup speeds at Broadband prices, see
> http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/postlist...&Board=tiscali
>
> AOL - the unlimited ISP of choice for heavy downloaders.

Does LLU provide any hope for us 1MBers?....I understood it to be technology
which could overcome the inherent limitations of any given line. I say that
because I am with BTY and they won't upgrade me to anything more than 1MB
but some of the other ISPs I was talking to - the ones advertising 8MB -
said they could guarantee me at least 2MB. Were they being, er, inventive?

> Does LLU provide any hope for us 1MBers?....I understood it to be
> technology
> which could overcome the inherent limitations of any given line. I say
> that
> because I am with BTY and they won't upgrade me to anything more than 1MB
> but some of the other ISPs I was talking to - the ones advertising 8MB -
> said they could guarantee me at least 2MB. Were they being, er, inventive?
>
>Yes it does because The LLU products are totally rate-adaptive and will
>sync at the fastest speed your line will realiably run whereas BT have very
>conservative limits for ADSL.

I think its entirely possible that people on 1Mb can at least get a 2Mb
stable line using LLU. If you give me your line stats that you can get from
most modems and routers I'll be able to estimate what is the maximum speed
your line will support.

I'm currently on 2Mb because cannot get anything else faster where I live
but I'm almost positive my line will support 8Mb ADSL when BT get there ass
in gear and release it.

Dan

"Dan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
>
> > Does LLU provide any hope for us 1MBers?....I understood it to be
> > technology
> > which could overcome the inherent limitations of any given line. I say
> > that
> > because I am with BTY and they won't upgrade me to anything more than
1MB
> > but some of the other ISPs I was talking to - the ones advertising 8MB -
> > said they could guarantee me at least 2MB. Were they being, er,
inventive?
> >
> >Yes it does because The LLU products are totally rate-adaptive and will
> >sync at the fastest speed your line will realiably run whereas BT have
very
> >conservative limits for ADSL.
>
> I think its entirely possible that people on 1Mb can at least get a 2Mb
> stable line using LLU. If you give me your line stats that you can get
from
> most modems and routers I'll be able to estimate what is the maximum speed
> your line will support.
>
> I'm currently on 2Mb because cannot get anything else faster where I live
> but I'm almost positive my line will support 8Mb ADSL when BT get there
ass
> in gear and release it.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
ok - not an expert so bear with me if this question appears naive but how,
or where, do I get the line stats from my modem?

re the BT 8MB trial, some people in this thread have suggested it (the
higher speeds) will only apply to people who can get higher speeds
already....is that wrong?