adsl / cable routers

Hi all

A question..........

I have a large lan, cable and router.

Ok when i got a new router i needed firmware, even i could sort that out
with dyslexia, mix of windows machines, can add more easy, no problemo

Nighbour got adsl, told him to buy a router (for adsl) but he says he cant
set up the other machine, swopped it for others and still cant do it, he
said a 'expert' told him he cant lan XP (which i have) i add nt via like
ICS but thru the router, i recall some time ago i could ping each machine
but he said 'faulty' and took it back

Am i missing something or is it really really hard to do it via adsl?

Im fed up of his kids using my lan as he cant set it up, and i refuse to
help as he always comes to me for help, last example he bought a digi cam,
spent 4 days tryng to get it to work and couldnt, i went to makers website
and noticed in big letters 'XP installation removal tool' as for some reason
needed to run prior to installation, and of course he said he checked the
makers website, i got it running 1st time.

He now wants me to run a cable a few houses down to pinch some of my
connection.

Forget his isp, but i cant see that making much diff

ta

"Julian Hales" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:xuAhd.4226$(E-Mail Removed) :

> Am i missing something or is it really really hard to do it via
> adsl?
>

No, its is fairly straightforward. He needs an ADSL modem router i.e
a router with an ADSL modem built-in. There are a handful(max) of
settings to put into the router to get the ADSL side working. The LAN
side usually works OK straight from the box.

Julian Hales wrote:

> Nighbour got adsl, told him to buy a router (for adsl) but he says he cant
> set up the other machine,

If he has an "ADSL router" (router with built-in ADSL modem) all the
setup is done on the router

> he says he can't set up the other machine

Filling in the bits you didn't say: I presume he has an ADSL router, and
that it works for one machine. That means the router is set up
correctly.

If the other machine is running Windows XP, all he has to do is to set
the machine to to have a valid IP address. Most routers allocate the IP
address automatically (DHCP).

Go to Network Connections, find the LAN connection in use (should be
there if he has a LAN card). Set it (right click, Properties) to get IP
address and DNS address automatically. See if it works -- it will in
most cases.

If it doesn't work, go to the original machine and check the settings
there. If the IP address, DNS address(es) and default gateway address
are specified, rather than automatic. If they are, write them down. If
not, run a command prompt (Start, Run, CMD, Enter) and type ipconfig,
then Enter. Note the IP address shown -- it will be four numbers
separated by dots, probably like 192.168.xxx.yyy Type EXIT and press
Enter to exit the black command-prompt screen

Go to the other machine. If you have DNS and/or gateway settings, type
them in. Type in an IP address with the SAME first 3 numbers, but a
different 4th one (any number from 2 to 254 should work so long as it
doesn't duplicate anything on the network).

If you know the address of the other machine, or of the router, you can
test communication from a command prompt: type
ping 192.168.1.1 & press Enter
(using the correct numeric address )

HTH,
--
Michael Salem

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:26:05 GMT, "Julian Hales"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


>Im fed up of his kids using my lan as he cant set it up, and i refuse to
>help as he always comes to me for help, last example he bought a digi cam,
>spent 4 days tryng to get it to work and couldnt, i went to makers website
>and noticed in big letters 'XP installation removal tool' as for some reason
>needed to run prior to installation, and of course he said he checked the
>makers website, i got it running 1st time.

Julian, in circumstances like these, it's customary to be offered
payment of some kind for services rendered.

According to canon, the answer to this is:
"Can you help me with my computer?"
"Certainly, it's £5 per question; That'll be £5, please."

Personally, I would suggest bottles of beer or fine single malt,
according to how well heeled the person requesting help is, but each
to their own.

Derek
--
'Dianetics' and 'Battlefield Earth'. "Burning books is *wrong*. So we shot
them instead." Apparently they do quite well as targets; whatever he was
using had as much trouble getting all the way through BE as many a human
reader. -- Brian Harradine

"Jo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Xns9595FA40E428FlSxxx@130.133.1.4...
> "Julian Hales" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:xuAhd.4226$(E-Mail Removed) :
>
> > Am i missing something or is it really really hard to do it via
> > adsl?
> >
>
> No, its is fairly straightforward. He needs an ADSL modem router i.e
> a router with an ADSL modem built-in. There are a handful(max) of
> settings to put into the router to get the ADSL side working. The LAN
> side usually works OK straight from the box.

yes he bought one of those, bought several infact and still couldnt do it.

"Michael Salem" <a$-b$(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) T...
> Julian Hales wrote:
>
> > Nighbour got adsl, told him to buy a router (for adsl) but he says he
cant
> > set up the other machine,
>
> If he has an "ADSL router" (router with built-in ADSL modem) all the
> setup is done on the router
>
> > he says he can't set up the other machine
>
> Filling in the bits you didn't say: I presume he has an ADSL router, and
> that it works for one machine. That means the router is set up
> correctly.

he could do that

>
> If the other machine is running Windows XP, all he has to do is to set
> the machine to to have a valid IP address. Most routers allocate the IP
> address automatically (DHCP).

his son alwasy brings one machine here and connects it to my lan, 98SE which
is a peice of piddle to set up, i can do it and im dyslexic.


>
> Go to Network Connections, find the LAN connection in use (should be
> there if he has a LAN card). Set it (right click, Properties) to get IP
> address and DNS address automatically. See if it works -- it will in
> most cases.

yep i can do that, he wants 'me' to do that


>
> If it doesn't work, go to the original machine and check the settings
> there. If the IP address, DNS address(es) and default gateway address
> are specified, rather than automatic. If they are, write them down. If
> not, run a command prompt (Start, Run, CMD, Enter) and type ipconfig,
> then Enter. Note the IP address shown -- it will be four numbers
> separated by dots, probably like 192.168.xxx.yyy Type EXIT and press
> Enter to exit the black command-prompt screen
>
> Go to the other machine. If you have DNS and/or gateway settings, type
> them in. Type in an IP address with the SAME first 3 numbers, but a
> different 4th one (any number from 2 to 254 should work so long as it
> doesn't duplicate anything on the network).
>
> If you know the address of the other machine, or of the router, you can
> test communication from a command prompt: type
> ping 192.168.1.1 & press Enter
> (using the correct numeric address )
>
> HTH,
> --
> Michael Salem

i understand that, i was wondering why he couldnt do it on a adsl router and
my cable router is easy to set up, or easyish. he just said he tried many
things, i knew the cables were ok as i can ping both ways.

Thought maybe adsl was more difficult, he can read fine and i cant

"Derek" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:26:05 GMT, "Julian Hales"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
> >Im fed up of his kids using my lan as he cant set it up, and i refuse to
> >help as he always comes to me for help, last example he bought a digi
cam,
> >spent 4 days tryng to get it to work and couldnt, i went to makers
website
> >and noticed in big letters 'XP installation removal tool' as for some
reason
> >needed to run prior to installation, and of course he said he checked the
> >makers website, i got it running 1st time.
>
> Julian, in circumstances like these, it's customary to be offered
> payment of some kind for services rendered.

I get people come to me all the time, i find the richest and most lazy
expect it for free

Yesterday i fixed a pc for a single woman at college with kids, sorted it
out with another fault before and this time said i didnt want paying but she
gave me a tenner and next week giving me another tenner which is a bit
insulting as i built her 5 year old a education games machine from free bits
and told her a hundred times it was FREE.


>
> According to canon, the answer to this is:
> "Can you help me with my computer?"
> "Certainly, it's £5 per question; That'll be £5, please."
>
> Personally, I would suggest bottles of beer or fine single malt,
> according to how well heeled the person requesting help is, but each
> to their own.

After fitting 2 new hd's to the pc he often dropped i now ask for cash
upfront for the items. Hes a electrician, im not, last week asked him to
help me fit a exterior security ligtht and he said its so easy a 5 year old
could do it, i think im going to remember what he said and use that back.


>
> Derek
> --
> 'Dianetics' and 'Battlefield Earth'. "Burning books is *wrong*. So we shot
> them instead." Apparently they do quite well as targets; whatever he was
> using had as much trouble getting all the way through BE as many a human
> reader. -- Brian Harradine

In message <xuAhd.4226$(E-Mail Removed)>, Julian Hales
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>Hi all
>
>A question..........
OK
>Nighbour got adsl, told him to buy a router (for adsl) but he says he cant
>set up the other machine, swopped it for others and still cant do it, he
>said a 'expert' told him he cant lan XP
Ask him how much his expert gets paid, if it's more than me, I'll have
his job please.
> (which i have) i add nt via like
>ICS but thru the router, i recall some time ago i could ping each machine
>but he said 'faulty' and took it back
OK, so how is his network set up? He needs either;
A router with multiple ethernet ports (a built in hub)
or;
A router with one ethernet port that he can connect into an existing hub
or;
A machine with two network cards, one to connect to the router and one
for the second machine to connect to using ICS
or;
A USB modem connected to one machine and ICS enabled
The first two solutions are probably best , they don't rely on any one
machine being switched on for the sharing to work.
>
>Am i missing something or is it really really hard to do it via adsl?
Probably, but it's really easy to network ADSL if you have the right
gear.
>He now wants me to run a cable a few houses down to pinch some of my
>connection.
Tell him to p*ss off. Apart from the problems you'll have when they max
out your connection, what happens if he starts downloading porn or music
and gets caught? It's not a solution just an argument waiting to happen.
>
>Forget his isp, but i cant see that making much diff
Where are you? If you're Manchester based, I can help.
>
>ta
>
>

--
Clint Sharp

In message <qxMhd.6734$(E-Mail Removed)>, Julian Hales
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>Yesterday i fixed a pc for a single woman at college with kids, sorted it
>out with another fault before and this time said i didnt want paying but she
>gave me a tenner and next week giving me another tenner which is a bit
>insulting as i built her 5 year old a education games machine from free bits
>and told her a hundred times it was FREE.
No, that's nice, she's obviously appreciates you and wants you to be
there next time she has a problem you can help with. If you really don't
want the money, buy something for her PC and fit it next time she pops
in or tell her you were given it and she can have it etc...
>
>
>After fitting 2 new hd's to the pc he often dropped i now ask for cash
>upfront for the items. Hes a electrician, im not, last week asked him to
>help me fit a exterior security ligtht and he said its so easy a 5 year old
>could do it, i think im going to remember what he said and use that back.
I find the words piss and off work well for people like that.

--
Clint Sharp

"Julian Hales" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:7pMhd.6671$(E-Mail Removed) :

>
>
>
> "Jo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Xns9595FA40E428FlSxxx@130.133.1.4...
>> "Julian Hales" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> news:xuAhd.4226$(E-Mail Removed) :
>>
>> > Am i missing something or is it really really hard to do it
>> > via adsl?
>> >
>>
>> No, its is fairly straightforward. He needs an ADSL modem
>> router i.e a router with an ADSL modem built-in. There are a
>> handful(max) of settings to put into the router to get the ADSL
>> side working. The LAN side usually works OK straight from the
>> box.
>
> yes he bought one of those, bought several infact and still
> couldnt do it.

I'm not surprised. This gear is sold by retail outlets as commodity
user-installable stuff. In reality you need to be a) already clued-
up or b) prepared to get clued-up on the technology. Your neighbour
doesn't fit either category.

Be prepared to get yourself clued up if you want to help him
yourself, or point him to a local trusted PC technician.

BTW: The 'run a cable a few houses down' theory needs more thought:
there are earthing and electrical safety issues involved, apart
from numerous potential practical/legal issues.