ADSL availability

I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.

The line checker at http://www.adslchecker.bt.com said "it is VERY
UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
service due to the very long length of your telephone line" for the
closest telephone line, 01429267635, which seemed to be confirmed by a
BT Business Live Chat Support adviser, who agreed that we will
probably not be able to get a stable connection at 256kbps, the
minimum speed allowed (although we only really require an upload speed
of around 100-150Kbps). However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
the service that we can supply is 512k max".

Can we get ADSL or not?

In article <5c9c6aff-510e-4f56-962d-(E-Mail Removed)>,
Christopher Quigley <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
>operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
>where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
>to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
>and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.
>
>The line checker at http://www.adslchecker.bt.com said "it is VERY
>UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
>service due to the very long length of your telephone line" for the
>closest telephone line, 01429267635, which seemed to be confirmed by a
>BT Business Live Chat Support adviser, who agreed that we will
>probably not be able to get a stable connection at 256kbps, the
>minimum speed allowed (although we only really require an upload speed
>of around 100-150Kbps). However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
>I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
>the service that we can supply is 512k max".
>
>Can we get ADSL or not?

Maybe.

It's a marginal line, however you do have a choice of several ISPs to
choose from. Depending on funds, etc. it might be worthhile getting the
phone line installed, then trying for ADSL by phoning them in-turn and
seeing if they think they can do better than a BT reseller...

But without a postcode & the real number it's almost impossible to give
a properly accurate answer...

Gordon

"Gordon Henderson" <gordon+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:gi5rg0$2lje$(E-Mail Removed)...
> In article
> <5c9c6aff-510e-4f56-962d-(E-Mail Removed)>,
> Christopher Quigley <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
>>operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
>>where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
>>to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
>>and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.
>>
>>The line checker at http://www.adslchecker.bt.com said "it is VERY
>>UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
>>service due to the very long length of your telephone line" for the
>>closest telephone line, 01429267635, which seemed to be confirmed by a
>>BT Business Live Chat Support adviser, who agreed that we will
>>probably not be able to get a stable connection at 256kbps, the
>>minimum speed allowed (although we only really require an upload speed
>>of around 100-150Kbps). However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
>>I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
>>the service that we can supply is 512k max".
>>
>>Can we get ADSL or not?
>
> Maybe.
>
> It's a marginal line, however you do have a choice of several ISPs to
> choose from. Depending on funds, etc. it might be worthhile getting the
> phone line installed, then trying for ADSL by phoning them in-turn and
> seeing if they think they can do better than a BT reseller...
>
> But without a postcode & the real number it's almost impossible to give
> a properly accurate answer...


Andrews and Arnold will supply the line and the ADSL service, for a fee.
You could ask them about the position if they can't get an ADSL service to
work properly. Would they for example take the line away without charge, if
ADSL isn't possible?

--
Graham J

Graham J wrote:

> Andrews and Arnold will supply the line and the ADSL service, for a fee.
> You could ask them about the position if they can't get an ADSL service to
> work properly. Would they for example take the line away without charge,
> if ADSL isn't possible?

Can't see why they would, as they will still be charged by BT.

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On 15 Dec, 14:59, "Ato_Zee" <ato_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > A broadband connection would allow good quality video
> > and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.
>
> A broadband connection of adequate speed for
> streaming video. What are the cost constraints?

At present the budget for the entire project is £3000. We expect to
have two cameras, one in the hide for a wide view of the bird colony
and another in a nest, with video from one of the cameras streamed at
any one time and recordings made as required.

Christopher Quigley wrote:

> I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
> operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
> where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
> to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
> and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.

Does it need to be viewable remotely in real time? If not there are some IP
cameras that will write to a networked drive. You could put a NAS with a
large amount of storage in there with it. Failing that, if you've got line
of sight to somewhere where you can get a decent ADSL signal, you could
install a point-to-point wireless link.

> The line checker at http://www.adslchecker.bt.com said "it is VERY
> UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
> service due to the very long length of your telephone line"

> However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
> I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
> the service that we can supply is 512k max".
>
> Can we get ADSL or not?

The cynic in me says, the BT web site is not on commission, but 'someone
from BT Business Sales' is, so I know which one I'd believe.

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On 15 Dec, 15:01, Gordon Henderson <gordon+use...@drogon.net> wrote:
> In article <5c9c6aff-510e-4f56-962d-21a0ee920...@w39g2000prb.googlegroups..com>,
> Christopher Quigley *<quigley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
> >operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
> >where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
> >to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
> >and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.
>
> >The line checker athttp://www.adslchecker.bt.comsaid "it is VERY
> >UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
> >service due to the very long length of your telephone line" for the
> >closest telephone line, 01429267635, which seemed to be confirmed by a
> >BT Business Live Chat Support adviser, who agreed that we will
> >probably not be able to get a stable connection at 256kbps, the
> >minimum speed allowed (although we only really require an upload speed
> >of around 100-150Kbps). However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
> >I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
> >the service that we can supply is 512k max".
>
> >Can we get ADSL or not?
>
> Maybe.
>
> It's a marginal line, however you do have a choice of several ISPs to
> choose from. Depending on funds, etc. it might be worthhile getting the
> phone line installed, then trying for ADSL by phoning them in-turn and
> seeing if they think they can do better than a BT reseller...
>
> But without a postcode & the real number it's almost impossible to give
> a properly accurate answer...

The postcode of the building with the number I gave is TS27 4BL, if
that helps. It's not very far from the hide.

In article <a8fa9891-ed65-4142-89d0-(E-Mail Removed)>,
Christopher Quigley <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>On 15 Dec, 15:01, Gordon Henderson <gordon+use...@drogon.net> wrote:
>> In article
><5c9c6aff-510e-4f56-962d-21a0ee920...@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
>> Christopher Quigley *<quigley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
>> >operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
>> >where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
>> >to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
>> >and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.
>>
>> >The line checker athttp://www.adslchecker.bt.comsaid "it is VERY
>> >UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
>> >service due to the very long length of your telephone line" for the
>> >closest telephone line, 01429267635, which seemed to be confirmed by a
>> >BT Business Live Chat Support adviser, who agreed that we will
>> >probably not be able to get a stable connection at 256kbps, the
>> >minimum speed allowed (although we only really require an upload speed
>> >of around 100-150Kbps). However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
>> >I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
>> >the service that we can supply is 512k max".
>>
>> >Can we get ADSL or not?
>>
>> Maybe.
>>
>> It's a marginal line, however you do have a choice of several ISPs to
>> choose from. Depending on funds, etc. it might be worthhile getting the
>> phone line installed, then trying for ADSL by phoning them in-turn and
>> seeing if they think they can do better than a BT reseller...
>>
>> But without a postcode & the real number it's almost impossible to give
>> a properly accurate answer...
>
>The postcode of the building with the number I gave is TS27 4BL, if
>that helps. It's not very far from the hide.

It's still marginal )-:

You really are right on the edge.

256Kbps will support a single camera streaming at a moderate resolution
(I get very acceptable results at 320x210 H263 at 15fps using about
160Kb/sec - that's with a video phone) But if you want higher resolution
you'll very probably need to locally store it and upload it later.

Oddly enough the Entanet checker has suggested 512Kb/sec though. (I was
using the Sam knows one earlier)

I'd probably suggest it's worth it to get a phone line installed -
I'm not sure if you can give BT hints that it'll be used for ADSL to
hopefully make sure it's a "nice" line or not these days though.... Maybe
tea and biscuits to the linesmn might help him make sure it's punched
in securely...

Gordon

In article <bdw1l.106898$(E-Mail Removed)2>,
Ato_Zee <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> There is a bird hide
>> >> >where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
>> >> >to achieve this.
>
>If you are installing mains electricity, and a telephone line, it
>implies a dig, think of putting in fibre.

Where would the OP run the other end to?

And more importantly, who's doing the digging.

>RJ45 to fibre and back is straightforward.
>Problem with streaming ADSL is the upstream link being
>the slow one.
>If line of sight there are several wireless options to
>where you can get a better speed.
>You can rent or buy microwave modules, the
>round things you see on many mobile masts,
>hospital roofs, etc.
>There are high gain antennas for routers and
>PC's the Hawking range comes to mind.

It's all too easy to simply suggest this. I've been there and done it
for clients and friends in the past, and it's no-where near as easy as
it might sound. You need wayleave, premissions, facilities to dig or
string cable, not to mention the actual hardware - remember the OP's
budget is £3K.

The hard part is finding someone to host the far-end. (no matter what
technology you use to get there) and have you ever tried to actually
use someone elses trench???

I've just looked at the OP's location too - it's fairly flat, so possible,
to use wireless, given enough height to clear the rooftops to the villages
to the north and south, but you'd still need to find someone nearby in
line of sight who's willing to host the other end of it all.

Good luck...

Gordon

"Christopher Quigley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:5c9c6aff-510e-4f56-962d-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I am looking into installing a webcam on a beach, where birds nest, to
> operate continuously for three months each year. There is a bird hide
> where we could install mains electricity and a telephone line in order
> to achieve this. A broadband connection would allow good quality video
> and audio to be uploaded to a streaming server.
>

Are you mad? Leave an old VCR or DVD recorder and a camera, then collect
the tapes or DVD regularly. It would save a fortune.

> The line checker at http://www.adslchecker.bt.com said "it is VERY
> UNLIKELY you will be able to receive 512Kbps or 256Kbps broadband
> service due to the very long length of your telephone line" for the
> closest telephone line, 01429267635, which seemed to be confirmed by a
> BT Business Live Chat Support adviser, who agreed that we will
> probably not be able to get a stable connection at 256kbps, the
> minimum speed allowed (although we only really require an upload speed
> of around 100-150Kbps). However, someone from BT Business Sales, which
> I emailed, said "I have checked the number that you have supplied, and
> the service that we can supply is 512k max".
>
> Can we get ADSL or not?

See the answer you have quoted from BT. I can always tell when it is
a full moon, all the strange people appear on newsgroups acting all
helpless. What is it about the answer BT has given that you do not
understand? This group is not BT, only BT can tell you the answer to
your question. Call BT or get an adult with an ounce of common sense
who is not completely thick to call on your behalf.