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Matt
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      02-01-2006, 12:34 AM
I have a server and I want to add a wireless router to it.
What all do i have to do?
I am currently running server 2k3 and have 2 ethernet connections for it (1
for DSL connection and 1 for wired network) and I want to add a 3rd ethernet
connection for the wireless router. I am using a standard netgear router. I
assume i need to turn off dhcp and dns on the router but how do i set it up
so when wireless computers connect to it they go to the server to get a ip
and be able to connect to the domain.
Thanks for your help in advance.
links for how to pages would help greatly too
thanks
Matt
 
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Phillip Windell
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      02-01-2006, 02:20 PM

"Matt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:C070BAB2-4225-45FE-A61C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have a server and I want to add a wireless router to it.
> What all do i have to do?


Wireless Access Point? (WAP) or a Wireless Broadband Router? In any case,
you don't add such things to a "machine",..you add them to a network. So I
don't understand what you are really trying to do.. Also,..the broadband
routers are really just NAT Devices, or NAT Firewalls,..they aren't "real"
routers and by the nature of what they are they will change the LAN Topology
simply because they are "there".

> I am currently running server 2k3 and have 2 ethernet connections for it

(1
> for DSL connection and 1 for wired network) and I want to add a 3rd

ethernet
> connection for the wireless router. I am using a standard netgear router.


If you already have a "router" in place then the Server should only have
*one* nic,...unless you are creating a Back-to-Back DMZ between the Server
and the "router". The "router" is the only thing in the entire LAN that
will have "two nics". So I still don't understand what you are doing and
how the Wireless Device fits into this..

--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com
-----------------------------------------------------
Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
http://www.isaserver.org/articles/IS...cessRules.html

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Guidance
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2004.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2000.asp

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/partners/default.asp

Deployment Guidelines for ISA Server 2004 Enterprise Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...isaserver.mspx
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Matt
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      02-01-2006, 11:02 PM
well that post didnt help...
anyways I want to add a wireless router. I can simply plug it into my
switch and use standard setting and get internet sharing between all of my
wireless devices but I can't get access to the domain or files located on the
server. I want to know how to add a wireless router to the network so as to
still be able to connect to the domain and file server

"Phillip Windell" wrote:

>
> "Matt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:C070BAB2-4225-45FE-A61C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I have a server and I want to add a wireless router to it.
> > What all do i have to do?

>
> Wireless Access Point? (WAP) or a Wireless Broadband Router? In any case,
> you don't add such things to a "machine",..you add them to a network. So I
> don't understand what you are really trying to do.. Also,..the broadband
> routers are really just NAT Devices, or NAT Firewalls,..they aren't "real"
> routers and by the nature of what they are they will change the LAN Topology
> simply because they are "there".
>
> > I am currently running server 2k3 and have 2 ethernet connections for it

> (1
> > for DSL connection and 1 for wired network) and I want to add a 3rd

> ethernet
> > connection for the wireless router. I am using a standard netgear router.

>
> If you already have a "router" in place then the Server should only have
> *one* nic,...unless you are creating a Back-to-Back DMZ between the Server
> and the "router". The "router" is the only thing in the entire LAN that
> will have "two nics". So I still don't understand what you are doing and
> how the Wireless Device fits into this..
>
> --
> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> www.wandtv.com
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
> http://www.isaserver.org/articles/IS...cessRules.html
>
> Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Guidance
> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2004.asp
> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2000.asp
>
> Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/partners/default.asp
>
> Deployment Guidelines for ISA Server 2004 Enterprise Edition
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...isaserver.mspx
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>

 
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Bill Grant
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      02-01-2006, 11:44 PM
It may not help you, but it helps me. It indicates that the device you
have is a wireless NAT device, as Phillip suggested. It is not really
suitable for a LAN router.
It is doing what it was designed to do.

Matt wrote:
> well that post didnt help...
> anyways I want to add a wireless router. I can simply plug it into my
> switch and use standard setting and get internet sharing between all
> of my wireless devices but I can't get access to the domain or files
> located on the server. I want to know how to add a wireless router
> to the network so as to still be able to connect to the domain and
> file server
>
> "Phillip Windell" wrote:
>
>>
>> "Matt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:C070BAB2-4225-45FE-A61C-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> I have a server and I want to add a wireless router to it.
>>> What all do i have to do?

>>
>> Wireless Access Point? (WAP) or a Wireless Broadband Router? In any
>> case, you don't add such things to a "machine",..you add them to a
>> network. So I don't understand what you are really trying to do..
>> Also,..the broadband routers are really just NAT Devices, or NAT
>> Firewalls,..they aren't "real" routers and by the nature of what
>> they are they will change the LAN Topology simply because they are
>> "there".
>>
>>> I am currently running server 2k3 and have 2 ethernet connections
>>> for it (1 for DSL connection and 1 for wired network) and I want to
>>> add a 3rd ethernet connection for the wireless router. I am using
>>> a standard netgear router.

>>
>> If you already have a "router" in place then the Server should only
>> have *one* nic,...unless you are creating a Back-to-Back DMZ between
>> the Server and the "router". The "router" is the only thing in the
>> entire LAN that will have "two nics". So I still don't understand
>> what you are doing and how the Wireless Device fits into this..
>>
>> --
>> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
>> www.wandtv.com
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
>> http://www.isaserver.org/articles/IS...cessRules.html
>>
>> Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Guidance
>> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2004.asp
>> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2000.asp
>>
>> Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
>> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/partners/default.asp
>>
>> Deployment Guidelines for ISA Server 2004 Enterprise Edition
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...isaserver.mspx
>> -----------------------------------------------------



 
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Bill Grant
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      02-02-2006, 03:21 AM
You probably need a wireless access point rather than a router. You
wireless machines could then be in the same network as your servers and
would access the Internet in the same way that your LAN machines do. You
don't need any more NICs in your server.

As Phillip said, there is really no need to have two NICs in your server
if you have a DSL "router" (which is probably a NAT device). This device can
be the default gateway for all the machines on your LAN including the
server. If you do put two NICs in the server, you need to configure your
network so that the server is the default gateway for the LAN. You then use
your server as a router between the LAN and the DSL router. The DSL router
and the server's "public" NIC are in one subnet while the LAN machines and
the "private" NIC are in another. Here is a diagram of the two scenarios.

1. Router as default gateway of LAN.

Internet
|
public IP
DSL NAT router
192.168.1.1
|
workstations
192.168.1.x dg 192.168.1.1
|
server
192.168.1.n dg 192.168.1.1


2. Server as default gateway of LAN.

Internet
|
public IP
DSL router
192.168.1.1
|
192.168.1.2 dg 192.168.1.1
server
192.168.2.1 dg blank
|
workstations
192.168.2.x dg 192.168.2.1

This setup also needs extra routing on the DSL router because that
router does not have an interface in the LAN subnet.

Bill Grant wrote:
> It may not help you, but it helps me. It indicates that the device
> you have is a wireless NAT device, as Phillip suggested. It is not
> really suitable for a LAN router.
> It is doing what it was designed to do.
>
> Matt wrote:
>> well that post didnt help...
>> anyways I want to add a wireless router. I can simply plug it into
>> my switch and use standard setting and get internet sharing between
>> all of my wireless devices but I can't get access to the domain or
>> files located on the server. I want to know how to add a wireless
>> router to the network so as to still be able to connect to the
>> domain and file server
>>
>> "Phillip Windell" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Matt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:C070BAB2-4225-45FE-A61C-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> I have a server and I want to add a wireless router to it.
>>>> What all do i have to do?
>>>
>>> Wireless Access Point? (WAP) or a Wireless Broadband Router? In any
>>> case, you don't add such things to a "machine",..you add them to a
>>> network. So I don't understand what you are really trying to do..
>>> Also,..the broadband routers are really just NAT Devices, or NAT
>>> Firewalls,..they aren't "real" routers and by the nature of what
>>> they are they will change the LAN Topology simply because they are
>>> "there".
>>>
>>>> I am currently running server 2k3 and have 2 ethernet connections
>>>> for it (1 for DSL connection and 1 for wired network) and I want to
>>>> add a 3rd ethernet connection for the wireless router. I am using
>>>> a standard netgear router.
>>>
>>> If you already have a "router" in place then the Server should only
>>> have *one* nic,...unless you are creating a Back-to-Back DMZ between
>>> the Server and the "router". The "router" is the only thing in the
>>> entire LAN that will have "two nics". So I still don't understand
>>> what you are doing and how the Wireless Device fits into this..
>>>
>>> --
>>> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
>>> www.wandtv.com
>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>> Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
>>> http://www.isaserver.org/articles/IS...cessRules.html
>>>
>>> Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Guidance
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2004.asp
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2000.asp
>>>
>>> Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/partners/default.asp
>>>
>>> Deployment Guidelines for ISA Server 2004 Enterprise Edition
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...isaserver.mspx
>>> -----------------------------------------------------



 
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      02-02-2006, 01:59 PM
"Matt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> well that post didnt help...


That isn't my fault.
My posts was completely accurate,...which Bill then repeated and said
exactly the same thing with a little more detail.

--
Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com
-----------------------------------------------------
Understanding the ISA 2004 Access Rule Processing
http://www.isaserver.org/articles/IS...cessRules.html

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Guidance
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2004.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/t...dance/2000.asp

Microsoft Internet Security & Acceleration Server: Partners
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/partners/default.asp

Deployment Guidelines for ISA Server 2004 Enterprise Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...isaserver.mspx
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Steven
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      03-07-2006, 01:50 PM
Matt - turn off dhcp / NAT on the wireless router, set it to receieve IP
automatically, plug the patch cable from the switch into one of the ports but
NOT the Internet port.

They are right when they say you should use an AP and not a router but this
is how you can get your router to act like an AP.

Either that or put it in the perimeter network and enable Nat and assign a
static IP from the DSL modem. Put everything else behind it. Then turn off
dhcp on the server.

Lastly - always be aware of Vulnerability, keep security in mind!

Steve
MCSA, MCSE

"Matt" wrote:

> I have a server and I want to add a wireless router to it.
> What all do i have to do?
> I am currently running server 2k3 and have 2 ethernet connections for it (1
> for DSL connection and 1 for wired network) and I want to add a 3rd ethernet
> connection for the wireless router. I am using a standard netgear router. I
> assume i need to turn off dhcp and dns on the router but how do i set it up
> so when wireless computers connect to it they go to the server to get a ip
> and be able to connect to the domain.
> Thanks for your help in advance.
> links for how to pages would help greatly too
> thanks
> Matt

 
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