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Joe
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      06-17-2005, 03:15 AM
Hello,

I hope I can explain this well enough. =)

I have for the last year or so only worked with one server and on this
server I have IIS and mailserver.

Mail server is NON Microsoft so it has no meaning accept for configuration
style. I will be adding another server this coming weekend and I am trying to
put the mail on this server alone.

I am aware of webs not emailing if the mailserver is not on the same box,
but will this be affected if the server is networked internally to the IIS
server?

example:
IIS server IP static 192.168.0.4
Mail server IP static 192.168.0.5

I am not sure if I should use this second server "downstream" from the IIS
server on a RRAS confiig or just add it to the router and Static IP it.

(Please note I am too small at this time to have a domain controller)

Any config suggestions please?

Thank you very much
Joe
 
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Jeff Cochran
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      06-17-2005, 11:53 AM
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:15:01 -0700, Joe
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I hope I can explain this well enough. =)
>
>I have for the last year or so only worked with one server and on this
>server I have IIS and mailserver.
>
>Mail server is NON Microsoft so it has no meaning accept for configuration
>style. I will be adding another server this coming weekend and I am trying to
>put the mail on this server alone.
>
>I am aware of webs not emailing if the mailserver is not on the same box,
>but will this be affected if the server is networked internally to the IIS
>server?


Depends on what you mean by "webs emailing." You will need to specify
a SMTP server, and if you're using CDONTS you'll need to change to CDO
to use a non-local SMTP server. Or install Microsoft's SMTP on the
web box.

>example:
>IIS server IP static 192.168.0.4
>Mail server IP static 192.168.0.5
>
>I am not sure if I should use this second server "downstream" from the IIS
>server on a RRAS confiig or just add it to the router and Static IP it.


Add it to the router.

>(Please note I am too small at this time to have a domain controller)
>
>Any config suggestions please?


Check the IIS group if you're having trouble sending mail after the
move.

Jeff
 
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Joe
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      06-17-2005, 01:07 PM
Hello Jeff,

I am using CDO and Jmail- also Dundas Mailer and I do not use it with MS
SMTP however MS SMTP is installed to get the CDO componenet installed..

How about Smart hosting to the Mail box?

Thank you for your reply
Joe

"Jeff Cochran" wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:15:01 -0700, Joe
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >I hope I can explain this well enough. =)
> >
> >I have for the last year or so only worked with one server and on this
> >server I have IIS and mailserver.
> >
> >Mail server is NON Microsoft so it has no meaning accept for configuration
> >style. I will be adding another server this coming weekend and I am trying to
> >put the mail on this server alone.
> >
> >I am aware of webs not emailing if the mailserver is not on the same box,
> >but will this be affected if the server is networked internally to the IIS
> >server?

>
> Depends on what you mean by "webs emailing." You will need to specify
> a SMTP server, and if you're using CDONTS you'll need to change to CDO
> to use a non-local SMTP server. Or install Microsoft's SMTP on the
> web box.
>
> >example:
> >IIS server IP static 192.168.0.4
> >Mail server IP static 192.168.0.5
> >
> >I am not sure if I should use this second server "downstream" from the IIS
> >server on a RRAS confiig or just add it to the router and Static IP it.

>
> Add it to the router.
>
> >(Please note I am too small at this time to have a domain controller)
> >
> >Any config suggestions please?

>
> Check the IIS group if you're having trouble sending mail after the
> move.
>
> Jeff
>

 
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      06-18-2005, 04:15 AM
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 06:07:08 -0700, Joe
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I am using CDO and Jmail- also Dundas Mailer and I do not use it with MS
>SMTP however MS SMTP is installed to get the CDO componenet installed..


All those compnents can have the SMTP specified. See the
documentation on each for details.

>How about Smart hosting to the Mail box?


You could, but why?

Jeff

>Thank you for your reply
>Joe
>
>"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:15:01 -0700, Joe
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>> >I hope I can explain this well enough. =)
>> >
>> >I have for the last year or so only worked with one server and on this
>> >server I have IIS and mailserver.
>> >
>> >Mail server is NON Microsoft so it has no meaning accept for configuration
>> >style. I will be adding another server this coming weekend and I am trying to
>> >put the mail on this server alone.
>> >
>> >I am aware of webs not emailing if the mailserver is not on the same box,
>> >but will this be affected if the server is networked internally to the IIS
>> >server?

>>
>> Depends on what you mean by "webs emailing." You will need to specify
>> a SMTP server, and if you're using CDONTS you'll need to change to CDO
>> to use a non-local SMTP server. Or install Microsoft's SMTP on the
>> web box.
>>
>> >example:
>> >IIS server IP static 192.168.0.4
>> >Mail server IP static 192.168.0.5
>> >
>> >I am not sure if I should use this second server "downstream" from the IIS
>> >server on a RRAS confiig or just add it to the router and Static IP it.

>>
>> Add it to the router.
>>
>> >(Please note I am too small at this time to have a domain controller)
>> >
>> >Any config suggestions please?

>>
>> Check the IIS group if you're having trouble sending mail after the
>> move.
>>
>> Jeff
>>


 
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      06-19-2005, 04:36 AM
Hello Jeff,

I have the second server installed up and running however I am unsure if
this box can be used as another web server also behind this router since
there is only one method of port forwarding on the router.

example Server A has intenal IP 192.168.0.4 Port 80
Server B has internal IP 192.168.0.6 Port 80

I am thinking how is this request for a site going to know which box to use?
I use host headers now onthe first server. all is easy and fine.
How can the IIS on each box answer to the site requested?

Thank you
Joe

"Jeff Cochran" wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 06:07:08 -0700, Joe
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >I am using CDO and Jmail- also Dundas Mailer and I do not use it with MS
> >SMTP however MS SMTP is installed to get the CDO componenet installed..

>
> All those compnents can have the SMTP specified. See the
> documentation on each for details.
>
> >How about Smart hosting to the Mail box?

>
> You could, but why?
>
> Jeff
>
> >Thank you for your reply
> >Joe
> >
> >"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:15:01 -0700, Joe
> >> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I hope I can explain this well enough. =)
> >> >
> >> >I have for the last year or so only worked with one server and on this
> >> >server I have IIS and mailserver.
> >> >
> >> >Mail server is NON Microsoft so it has no meaning accept for configuration
> >> >style. I will be adding another server this coming weekend and I am trying to
> >> >put the mail on this server alone.
> >> >
> >> >I am aware of webs not emailing if the mailserver is not on the same box,
> >> >but will this be affected if the server is networked internally to the IIS
> >> >server?
> >>
> >> Depends on what you mean by "webs emailing." You will need to specify
> >> a SMTP server, and if you're using CDONTS you'll need to change to CDO
> >> to use a non-local SMTP server. Or install Microsoft's SMTP on the
> >> web box.
> >>
> >> >example:
> >> >IIS server IP static 192.168.0.4
> >> >Mail server IP static 192.168.0.5
> >> >
> >> >I am not sure if I should use this second server "downstream" from the IIS
> >> >server on a RRAS confiig or just add it to the router and Static IP it.
> >>
> >> Add it to the router.
> >>
> >> >(Please note I am too small at this time to have a domain controller)
> >> >
> >> >Any config suggestions please?
> >>
> >> Check the IIS group if you're having trouble sending mail after the
> >> move.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>

>
>

 
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      06-19-2005, 01:42 PM
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:36:03 -0700, Joe
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>I have the second server installed up and running however I am unsure if
>this box can be used as another web server also behind this router since
>there is only one method of port forwarding on the router.


That's an issue with the router and a question for their support.

There are inexpensive broadband routers that can forward ports to
separate servers, but then you deal with a non-standard port. If you
don't have a second public IP address, then you need to front two web
servers with a reverse proxy to do this. Might look at using ISA, or
even a Linux box with Apache running as a reverse proxy, or simply
putting all your web sites on a single server.

Jeff

>example Server A has intenal IP 192.168.0.4 Port 80
>Server B has internal IP 192.168.0.6 Port 80
>
>I am thinking how is this request for a site going to know which box to use?
>I use host headers now onthe first server. all is easy and fine.
>How can the IIS on each box answer to the site requested?
>
>Thank you
>Joe
>
>"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 06:07:08 -0700, Joe
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>> >I am using CDO and Jmail- also Dundas Mailer and I do not use it with MS
>> >SMTP however MS SMTP is installed to get the CDO componenet installed..

>>
>> All those compnents can have the SMTP specified. See the
>> documentation on each for details.
>>
>> >How about Smart hosting to the Mail box?

>>
>> You could, but why?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> >Thank you for your reply
>> >Joe
>> >
>> >"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:15:01 -0700, Joe
>> >> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I hope I can explain this well enough. =)
>> >> >
>> >> >I have for the last year or so only worked with one server and on this
>> >> >server I have IIS and mailserver.
>> >> >
>> >> >Mail server is NON Microsoft so it has no meaning accept for configuration
>> >> >style. I will be adding another server this coming weekend and I am trying to
>> >> >put the mail on this server alone.
>> >> >
>> >> >I am aware of webs not emailing if the mailserver is not on the same box,
>> >> >but will this be affected if the server is networked internally to the IIS
>> >> >server?
>> >>
>> >> Depends on what you mean by "webs emailing." You will need to specify
>> >> a SMTP server, and if you're using CDONTS you'll need to change to CDO
>> >> to use a non-local SMTP server. Or install Microsoft's SMTP on the
>> >> web box.
>> >>
>> >> >example:
>> >> >IIS server IP static 192.168.0.4
>> >> >Mail server IP static 192.168.0.5
>> >> >
>> >> >I am not sure if I should use this second server "downstream" from the IIS
>> >> >server on a RRAS confiig or just add it to the router and Static IP it.
>> >>
>> >> Add it to the router.
>> >>
>> >> >(Please note I am too small at this time to have a domain controller)
>> >> >
>> >> >Any config suggestions please?
>> >>
>> >> Check the IIS group if you're having trouble sending mail after the
>> >> move.
>> >>
>> >> Jeff
>> >>

>>
>>


 
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      06-19-2005, 02:47 PM
Hello Jeff,
Thank you this is very interesting and extremely helpfull.

As I can see the landscape of this really changes with another server.
However I have five static public IP's but then I do need another router?

Thanks
Joe

"Jeff Cochran" wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:36:03 -0700, Joe
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
> >I have the second server installed up and running however I am unsure if
> >this box can be used as another web server also behind this router since
> >there is only one method of port forwarding on the router.

>
> That's an issue with the router and a question for their support.
>
> There are inexpensive broadband routers that can forward ports to
> separate servers, but then you deal with a non-standard port. If you
> don't have a second public IP address, then you need to front two web
> servers with a reverse proxy to do this. Might look at using ISA, or
> even a Linux box with Apache running as a reverse proxy, or simply
> putting all your web sites on a single server.
>
> Jeff
>
> >example Server A has intenal IP 192.168.0.4 Port 80
> >Server B has internal IP 192.168.0.6 Port 80
> >
> >I am thinking how is this request for a site going to know which box to use?
> >I use host headers now onthe first server. all is easy and fine.
> >How can the IIS on each box answer to the site requested?
> >
> >Thank you
> >Joe
> >
> >"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 06:07:08 -0700, Joe
> >> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I am using CDO and Jmail- also Dundas Mailer and I do not use it with MS
> >> >SMTP however MS SMTP is installed to get the CDO componenet installed..
> >>
> >> All those compnents can have the SMTP specified. See the
> >> documentation on each for details.
> >>
> >> >How about Smart hosting to the Mail box?
> >>
> >> You could, but why?
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> >Thank you for your reply
> >> >Joe
> >> >
> >> >"Jeff Cochran" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:15:01 -0700, Joe
> >> >> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I hope I can explain this well enough. =)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I have for the last year or so only worked with one server and on this
> >> >> >server I have IIS and mailserver.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mail server is NON Microsoft so it has no meaning accept for configuration
> >> >> >style. I will be adding another server this coming weekend and I am trying to
> >> >> >put the mail on this server alone.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I am aware of webs not emailing if the mailserver is not on the same box,
> >> >> >but will this be affected if the server is networked internally to the IIS
> >> >> >server?
> >> >>
> >> >> Depends on what you mean by "webs emailing." You will need to specify
> >> >> a SMTP server, and if you're using CDONTS you'll need to change to CDO
> >> >> to use a non-local SMTP server. Or install Microsoft's SMTP on the
> >> >> web box.
> >> >>
> >> >> >example:
> >> >> >IIS server IP static 192.168.0.4
> >> >> >Mail server IP static 192.168.0.5
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I am not sure if I should use this second server "downstream" from the IIS
> >> >> >server on a RRAS confiig or just add it to the router and Static IP it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Add it to the router.
> >> >>
> >> >> >(Please note I am too small at this time to have a domain controller)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Any config suggestions please?
> >> >>
> >> >> Check the IIS group if you're having trouble sending mail after the
> >> >> move.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff
> >> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>

 
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