ad hoc security

Can anyone help me with this please.

I have Belkin 54g cards in both my desktop and laptop, both running XP, I
set up a home network using XP, but I do not know how to make it secure,
i.e., how do I stop anyone with a wireless laptop from accessing my computer
through the wireless cards.

Thanks for the help

Jim





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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:25:46 -0000, "Jim"
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>but I do not know how to make it secure,
>i.e., how do I stop anyone with a wireless laptop from accessing my computer
>through the wireless cards.

use a firewall where you can set the othe rmachnie as a trusted IP and
block any others. Use usernames and passwords for all shares, disable
guest access, all would help.

My plan is when I see someone outside my house in a car with a laptop
and detect them on my network I will drive into the back of them with
a Land Rover at 20 mph

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Phil

Thanks for that, but why only 20mph, can I go a little faster :-)

After that info, can you now tell me why, more than 50% of the time, when
one of the kids tries to connect to the internet, or even go into the shared
files of the desktop, the bloody laptop wont connect to the desktop.

I do nothing to change any settings, the laptop can be sitting on top of the
desktop, but it still just ignores it, then on other occasions it connects
first time.
very frustrating, sick of the phrase "Dad it wont connect again"

any advise welcome, and yes, I have thought of getting rid of the kids

Cheers

Jim
"Phil Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:25:46 -0000, "Jim"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >but I do not know how to make it secure,
> >i.e., how do I stop anyone with a wireless laptop from accessing my
computer
> >through the wireless cards.
>
> use a firewall where you can set the othe rmachnie as a trusted IP and
> block any others. Use usernames and passwords for all shares, disable
> guest access, all would help.
>
> My plan is when I see someone outside my house in a car with a laptop
> and detect them on my network I will drive into the back of them with
> a Land Rover at 20 mph
>
> Phil
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:49:38 -0000, "Jim"
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>Thanks for that, but why only 20mph, can I go a little faster :-)

difference between an accidental shunt and casuing death by dangerous
driving :-)

>After that info, can you now tell me why, more than 50% of the time, when
>one of the kids tries to connect to the internet, or even go into the shared
>files of the desktop, the bloody laptop wont connect to the desktop.
>I do nothing to change any settings, the laptop can be sitting on top of the
>desktop, but it still just ignores it, then on other occasions it connects
>first time.
>very frustrating, sick of the phrase "Dad it wont connect again"

might be power saving feature on the USB. I had a similar experience
with a Dlink USB wireless NIC on my upstairs PC, occasionally needed
"talking to" via its config utility to wake it up - it would show
green for a signal but that was a time capsule it was in fact
disconnected. Current Belkin stays up constantly. DLink used to get
hot, lent it to someone who said it would pack up while in use and
needed unplugging and replugging the USB to re-start it.

Try 'running ping a.b.c.d -t' to maintain traffic between them.

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Phil

Got you on the driving, good thinking, but can I reverse as well

Unfortunately I am a no tech Dad, which I am reminded of constantly, I would
rather sit and strum my guitar than play on this machine, so I haven't got a
clue how to ping, now if it where followed by pong, I could give you a game
(sorry)
Could you take the time to explain please

much appreciated

Jim

"Phil Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:49:38 -0000, "Jim"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >Thanks for that, but why only 20mph, can I go a little faster :-)
>
> difference between an accidental shunt and casuing death by dangerous
> driving :-)
>
> >After that info, can you now tell me why, more than 50% of the time, when
> >one of the kids tries to connect to the internet, or even go into the
shared
> >files of the desktop, the bloody laptop wont connect to the desktop.
> >I do nothing to change any settings, the laptop can be sitting on top of
the
> >desktop, but it still just ignores it, then on other occasions it
connects
> >first time.
> >very frustrating, sick of the phrase "Dad it wont connect again"
>
> might be power saving feature on the USB. I had a similar experience
> with a Dlink USB wireless NIC on my upstairs PC, occasionally needed
> "talking to" via its config utility to wake it up - it would show
> green for a signal but that was a time capsule it was in fact
> disconnected. Current Belkin stays up constantly. DLink used to get
> hot, lent it to someone who said it would pack up while in use and
> needed unplugging and replugging the USB to re-start it.
>
> Try 'running ping a.b.c.d -t' to maintain traffic between them.
>
> Phil
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To ping all you need to do is click start, run and then type in "cmd"
followed by clicking enter (if you have XP) or go to start, programs,
accessories, ms-dos promt or something named to that effect

them in the window that comes up, type "ping" followed by the IP address of
the computer you wish to ping or it name

e.g

ping 192.168.0.1

you should get a reply like this (after pressing enter)

pinging 192.168.0.1 with 32 bytes of data:

reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=225
reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=225
reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=225
reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=225

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"Jim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Phil
>
> Got you on the driving, good thinking, but can I reverse as well
>
> Unfortunately I am a no tech Dad, which I am reminded of constantly, I
> would
> rather sit and strum my guitar than play on this machine, so I haven't got
> a
> clue how to ping, now if it where followed by pong, I could give you a
> game
> (sorry)
> Could you take the time to explain please
>
> much appreciated
>
> Jim
>
> "Phil Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:49:38 -0000, "Jim"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks for that, but why only 20mph, can I go a little faster :-)
>>
>> difference between an accidental shunt and casuing death by dangerous
>> driving :-)
>>
>> >After that info, can you now tell me why, more than 50% of the time,
>> >when
>> >one of the kids tries to connect to the internet, or even go into the
> shared
>> >files of the desktop, the bloody laptop wont connect to the desktop.
>> >I do nothing to change any settings, the laptop can be sitting on top of
> the
>> >desktop, but it still just ignores it, then on other occasions it
> connects
>> >first time.
>> >very frustrating, sick of the phrase "Dad it wont connect again"
>>
>> might be power saving feature on the USB. I had a similar experience
>> with a Dlink USB wireless NIC on my upstairs PC, occasionally needed
>> "talking to" via its config utility to wake it up - it would show
>> green for a signal but that was a time capsule it was in fact
>> disconnected. Current Belkin stays up constantly. DLink used to get
>> hot, lent it to someone who said it would pack up while in use and
>> needed unplugging and replugging the USB to re-start it.
>>
>> Try 'running ping a.b.c.d -t' to maintain traffic between them.
>>
>> Phil
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:07:47 -0000, "Mark Perry"
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>To ping all you need to do is click start, run and then type in "cmd"
>followed by clicking enter (if you have XP) or go to start, programs,
>accessories, ms-dos promt or something named to that effect
>
>them in the window that comes up, type "ping" followed by the IP address of
>the computer you wish to ping or it name
>
>e.g
>
>ping 192.168.0.1

and the -t keeps it going until you press Ctrl/C to stop it, which may
have the effect of keeping the wireless link alive.

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Jim wrote:
> Can anyone help me with this please.
>
> I have Belkin 54g cards in both my desktop and laptop, both running XP, I
> set up a home network using XP, but I do not know how to make it secure,
> i.e., how do I stop anyone with a wireless laptop from accessing my computer
> through the wireless cards.

Jim - all good advise already given, but also consider turning on the
WEP encryption on the wireless router. It would stop anyone making
casual connection to the wireless net without knowing the encryption key
or being an *expert hacker ....

Dave

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:17:22 +0000, Nomad <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> but also consider turning on the
>WEP encryption on the wireless router.

there isn't one, its an *ad-hoc* network.

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All good info up to now, Thank you all

I tried pinging the laptop from the desktop, then the DT to the LT and it
worked (big smile on face, something going right for once) so did the
internet and file sharing.
Shut down both machines, had a coffee, read the paper, turned on both
machines and hey presto! back to normal, ping would not work, file sharing
would not work and neither would the internet connection.

The only thing I notice is, the desktop card seems to run at 11.0Mbps while
the laptop always seems to be at 54, do not know if this is relevant.

also, the IP address on the desktop is always 192.168.0.01, when the laptop
IP address is 192.168.0.47 everything seems to work (well more times than
not) but the laptop sometimes runs at 169.254.0.114, and nothing seems to
work, again, don't know if this is relevant.

Phil, when the ping is working (don't know if it ever will again as I am
ready to throw the hole lot from a very tall building) where do you put
the -t, I put it after the IP address, as in 192.168.0.01-t but it didn't
work, please don't laugh

Really appreciate the help, the kids are getting mini ipods for Xmas,( I
used to get an apple and an orange) which is more techy stuff to take me to
an early gave.

Thanks again

Jim


"Jim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Can anyone help me with this please.
>
> I have Belkin 54g cards in both my desktop and laptop, both running XP, I
> set up a home network using XP, but I do not know how to make it secure,
> i.e., how do I stop anyone with a wireless laptop from accessing my
computer
> through the wireless cards.
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
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