access point setup problem

ok i need help on setting up a wireless network

ok the set up i have is

cable modem > wired router > wireless access point > desktop pc with a pci
wireless card and a notbook with internal wireless

so i then try to connect the pc to the access point to get to the config
page, i change my wireless addapters settings (to connet to the ip of the
access point) and then try to connect using the ip in the manual but thats
as far as i get i dose not find it, nor can i do the same on the laptop

anyone got any ideas?

p.s. i am trying to set up the AP while hard wired to it

make sure that the access point and the router are on the same subnet ...
192.168.1.xxx for example.

make sure the router has dhcp server enabled

make sure the access point has dhcp server disabled (if it has one)

make sure the pc has dhcp client enabled for the both the wired nic and
wireless nic cards (you can use static ip's for both nic's as well if you
wish - as long as they are in the 192.168.1.xxx network and are outside of
the dhcp server range in the router)

so now - you should be able to get to the built in web page for the router
and for the access point, from both the wired and the wireless interfaces


"dazzler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
newseqbf.3703$(E-Mail Removed)...
> ok i need help on setting up a wireless network
>
> ok the set up i have is
>
> cable modem > wired router > wireless access point > desktop pc with a pci
> wireless card and a notbook with internal wireless
>
> so i then try to connect the pc to the access point to get to the config
> page, i change my wireless addapters settings (to connet to the ip of the
> access point) and then try to connect using the ip in the manual but thats
> as far as i get i dose not find it, nor can i do the same on the laptop
>
> anyone got any ideas?
>
> p.s. i am trying to set up the AP while hard wired to it
>

"dazzler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>ok i need help on setting up a wireless network
>
>ok the set up i have is
>
>cable modem > wired router > wireless access point > desktop pc with a pci
>wireless card and a notbook with internal wireless
>
>so i then try to connect the pc to the access point to get to the config
>page, i change my wireless addapters settings (to connet to the ip of the
>access point) and then try to connect using the ip in the manual but thats
>as far as i get i dose not find it, nor can i do the same on the laptop
>
>anyone got any ideas?
>
>p.s. i am trying to set up the AP while hard wired to it
>


Don't connect the access point to the router.
Wire your laptop to the AP's LAN ports
Then i'd follow the previous poster. Disable the DHCP of the AP.

You'll run into trouble if you have two DHCP server, especially since
they both will use the same address. All linksys devices tend to use
192.168.1.1 and you can't have duplicates.

With the router handing out DHCP and the AP just bridging you should
be good.
DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

"DigitalVinyl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> "dazzler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>ok i need help on setting up a wireless network
>>
>>ok the set up i have is
>>
>>cable modem > wired router > wireless access point > desktop pc with a pci
>>wireless card and a notbook with internal wireless
>>
>>so i then try to connect the pc to the access point to get to the config
>>page, i change my wireless addapters settings (to connet to the ip of the
>>access point) and then try to connect using the ip in the manual but thats
>>as far as i get i dose not find it, nor can i do the same on the laptop
>>
>>anyone got any ideas?
>>
>>p.s. i am trying to set up the AP while hard wired to it
>>
>
>
> Don't connect the access point to the router.
> Wire your laptop to the AP's LAN ports
> Then i'd follow the previous poster. Disable the DHCP of the AP.
>
> You'll run into trouble if you have two DHCP server, especially since
> they both will use the same address. All linksys devices tend to use
> 192.168.1.1 and you can't have duplicates.
>
> With the router handing out DHCP and the AP just bridging you should
> be good.
> DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

Why would you want to connect directly to the AP to administer it? When you
have AP's all over the place - it's impractical and defeats the purpose of
having an AP on the network. The AP is just another Ethernet device with a
built in web page - that you can administer from any PC on the network.

riggor99999 wrote:

>> "dazzler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>ok i need help on setting up a wireless network
>>>
>>>ok the set up i have is
>>>
>>>cable modem > wired router > wireless access point > desktop pc with a
>>>pci wireless card and a notbook with internal wireless
>>>
>>>so i then try to connect the pc to the access point to get to the config
>>>page, i change my wireless addapters settings (to connet to the ip of the
>>>access point) and then try to connect using the ip in the manual but
>>>thats as far as i get i dose not find it, nor can i do the same on the
>>>laptop
>>>
>>>anyone got any ideas?
>>>
>>>p.s. i am trying to set up the AP while hard wired to it
>
> Why would you want to connect directly to the AP to administer it? When
> you have AP's all over the place - it's impractical and defeats the
> purpose of
> having an AP on the network. The AP is just another Ethernet device with
> a built in web page - that you can administer from any PC on the network.

For initial setup it's usually impractical to do it any other way. In any
case, if he's having trouble setting it up while hardwired, how is it going
to be any easier to set up wirelessly?
--
derek

....because there is no clarity here who is assigning it it's IP
address. There are two units here capable of giving out addresses from
separate DHCP ranges or conflicting ranges. If they use the exact same
default IP (192.168.1.1) neither would work.

....because a wireless AP unit can bridge traffic onto an existing
Wired connection and if he can't connect wirelessly, wired eliminates
complexity.


Professionally, you usually cable into an AP unit and configure it
before deploying it. Relying on DHCP to give it some random address
means you'll have no idea what IP to address to. Just guess until you
get it right??



"riggor99999" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>"DigitalVinyl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> "dazzler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>ok i need help on setting up a wireless network
>>>
>>>ok the set up i have is
>>>
>>>cable modem > wired router > wireless access point > desktop pc with a pci
>>>wireless card and a notbook with internal wireless
>>>
>>>so i then try to connect the pc to the access point to get to the config
>>>page, i change my wireless addapters settings (to connet to the ip of the
>>>access point) and then try to connect using the ip in the manual but thats
>>>as far as i get i dose not find it, nor can i do the same on the laptop
>>>
>>>anyone got any ideas?
>>>
>>>p.s. i am trying to set up the AP while hard wired to it
>>>
>>
>>
>> Don't connect the access point to the router.
>> Wire your laptop to the AP's LAN ports
>> Then i'd follow the previous poster. Disable the DHCP of the AP.
>>
>> You'll run into trouble if you have two DHCP server, especially since
>> they both will use the same address. All linksys devices tend to use
>> 192.168.1.1 and you can't have duplicates.
>>
>> With the router handing out DHCP and the AP just bridging you should
>> be good.
>> DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
>
>Why would you want to connect directly to the AP to administer it? When you
>have AP's all over the place - it's impractical and defeats the purpose of
>having an AP on the network. The AP is just another Ethernet device with a
>built in web page - that you can administer from any PC on the network.
>
>

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

"Derek Broughton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:qsv343-(E-Mail Removed)...
> riggor99999 wrote:
>
>>> "dazzler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>ok i need help on setting up a wireless network
>>>>
>>>>ok the set up i have is
>>>>
>>>>cable modem > wired router > wireless access point > desktop pc with a
>>>>pci wireless card and a notbook with internal wireless
>>>>
>>>>so i then try to connect the pc to the access point to get to the config
>>>>page, i change my wireless addapters settings (to connet to the ip of
>>>>the
>>>>access point) and then try to connect using the ip in the manual but
>>>>thats as far as i get i dose not find it, nor can i do the same on the
>>>>laptop
>>>>
>>>>anyone got any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>p.s. i am trying to set up the AP while hard wired to it
>>
>> Why would you want to connect directly to the AP to administer it? When
>> you have AP's all over the place - it's impractical and defeats the
>> purpose of
>> having an AP on the network. The AP is just another Ethernet device with
>> a built in web page - that you can administer from any PC on the network.
>
> For initial setup it's usually impractical to do it any other way. In any
> case, if he's having trouble setting it up while hardwired, how is it
> going
> to be any easier to set up wirelessly?
> --
> derek

For initial setup - yes - the laptop/pc needs to be directly connected to
the AP....but for ongoing admin, once configured he should be able to access
it without being directly connected to it.

....as per my response to Derek....

For initial setup - yes - the laptop/pc needs to be directly connected to
the AP....but for ongoing admin, once configured he should be able to access
it without being directly connected to it.

My assumption (probably incorrect) was that the op knew how to admin it
directly - but could not admin it once he put it on the network.

Once it's on the network with the right IP address / config, you can admin
it using wired or wireless.


"DigitalVinyl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> ...because there is no clarity here who is assigning it it's IP
> address. There are two units here capable of giving out addresses from
> separate DHCP ranges or conflicting ranges. If they use the exact same
> default IP (192.168.1.1) neither would work.
>
> ...because a wireless AP unit can bridge traffic onto an existing
> Wired connection and if he can't connect wirelessly, wired eliminates
> complexity.
>
>
> Professionally, you usually cable into an AP unit and configure it
> before deploying it. Relying on DHCP to give it some random address
> means you'll have no idea what IP to address to. Just guess until you
> get it right??
>
>
>
> "riggor99999" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>
>>"DigitalVinyl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:(E-Mail Removed). ..
>>> "dazzler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>ok i need help on setting up a wireless network
>>>>
>>>>ok the set up i have is
>>>>
>>>>cable modem > wired router > wireless access point > desktop pc with a
>>>>pci
>>>>wireless card and a notbook with internal wireless
>>>>
>>>>so i then try to connect the pc to the access point to get to the config
>>>>page, i change my wireless addapters settings (to connet to the ip of
>>>>the
>>>>access point) and then try to connect using the ip in the manual but
>>>>thats
>>>>as far as i get i dose not find it, nor can i do the same on the laptop
>>>>
>>>>anyone got any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>p.s. i am trying to set up the AP while hard wired to it
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't connect the access point to the router.
>>> Wire your laptop to the AP's LAN ports
>>> Then i'd follow the previous poster. Disable the DHCP of the AP.
>>>
>>> You'll run into trouble if you have two DHCP server, especially since
>>> they both will use the same address. All linksys devices tend to use
>>> 192.168.1.1 and you can't have duplicates.
>>>
>>> With the router handing out DHCP and the AP just bridging you should
>>> be good.
>>> DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
>>
>>Why would you want to connect directly to the AP to administer it? When
>>you
>>have AP's all over the place - it's impractical and defeats the purpose of
>>having an AP on the network. The AP is just another Ethernet device with
>>a
>>built in web page - that you can administer from any PC on the network.
>>
>>
>
> DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)

"dazzler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
newseqbf.3703$(E-Mail Removed)...
> ok i need help on setting up a wireless network
>
> ok the set up i have is
>
> cable modem > wired router > wireless access point > desktop pc with a pci
> wireless card and a notbook with internal wireless
>
> so i then try to connect the pc to the access point to get to the config
> page, i change my wireless addapters settings (to connet to the ip of the
> access point) and then try to connect using the ip in the manual but thats
> as far as i get i dose not find it, nor can i do the same on the laptop
>
> anyone got any ideas?
>
> p.s. i am trying to set up the AP while hard wired to it
>

well there is now a singnal and i can connect to it get to the config page
but i cannot access the internet though the wireless connection. Any ideas
on this problem?

> well there is now a singnal and i can connect to it get to the config page
> but i cannot access the internet though the wireless connection. Any ideas
> on this problem?

How did you finally set it up?
What is your PC IP address and what is the IP address of the AP?
When you connect to the config page - is it via wired or wireless?
Have you set the SSID? Encryption? MAC Filtering?

A little more info is needed....