802.11 and WAP(wireless application protocol)

Does anyone know if all WAP devices are 802.11?

Seems they should be right? WAP(wireless application protocol) can
use any 802.11 device? Or is there another wireless protocol that WAP
uses?

In article <(E-Mail Removed) >,
Christopher <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
oes anyone know if all WAP devices are 802.11?

http://www.openmobilealliance.org/wapdownload.html

In short, the answer is NO.


:Seems they should be right? WAP(wireless application protocol) can
:use any 802.11 device? Or is there another wireless protocol that WAP
:uses?

http://www.openmobilealliance.org/wa...20010614-a.pdf

That's the Wireless Data Protocol specification. If you look at it,
you will see that WAP is supported over a large number of different
bearer transports.

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Certainly many Usenet arguments about the past become clearer when they
are re-interpreted as uncertainty about the future.
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"Christopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Does anyone know if all WAP devices are 802.11?
>
> Seems they should be right? WAP(wireless application protocol) can
> use any 802.11 device? Or is there another wireless protocol that WAP
> uses?

you are mixing protocol layers - or wrappers -
the lower layers are the "physical" transport - like trucks -
and the upper layers relate to the networking & applications -

WAP is up top - like a browser, or other box to be transported -
802.11 is down at the bottom - like Ethernet, which is 802.3 -
so - the two have nothing to do with each other -
Phil -

"Phil Schuman" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<bf6qk4$45q$(E-Mail Removed)>...
> "Christopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > Does anyone know if all WAP devices are 802.11?
> >
> > Seems they should be right? WAP(wireless application protocol) can
> > use any 802.11 device? Or is there another wireless protocol that WAP
> > uses?
>
> you are mixing protocol layers - or wrappers -
> the lower layers are the "physical" transport - like trucks -
> and the upper layers relate to the networking & applications -
>
> WAP is up top - like a browser, or other box to be transported -
> 802.11 is down at the bottom - like Ethernet, which is 802.3 -
> so - the two have nothing to do with each other -
> Phil -

So let's say that you have a linksys wireless router. Could a cell
phone that claims WAP be able to use the internet connection with the
linksys router?

"Phil Schuman" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<bf6qk4$45q$(E-Mail Removed)>...
> "Christopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > Does anyone know if all WAP devices are 802.11?
> >
> > Seems they should be right? WAP(wireless application protocol) can
> > use any 802.11 device? Or is there another wireless protocol that WAP
> > uses?
>
> you are mixing protocol layers - or wrappers -
> the lower layers are the "physical" transport - like trucks -
> and the upper layers relate to the networking & applications -
>
> WAP is up top - like a browser, or other box to be transported -
> 802.11 is down at the bottom - like Ethernet, which is 802.3 -
> so - the two have nothing to do with each other -
> Phil -

Guess what I am trying to do is purchase a wireless router or switch
to give users internet via a wireless connection. But I want to
include users who have a laptop, cell phone (WAP) or any other device
that can connect to a wireless system.

Does anyone know which appliance is best to support different devices
to provide wireless internet?

Thanks

"Christopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> So let's say that you have a linksys wireless router. Could a cell
> phone that claims WAP be able to use the internet connection with the
> linksys router?

not even close -

"Christopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> Guess what I am trying to do is purchase a wireless router or switch
> to give users internet via a wireless connection. But I want to
> include users who have a laptop, cell phone (WAP) or any other device
> that can connect to a wireless system.
>
> Does anyone know which appliance is best to support different devices
> to provide wireless internet?
>
> Thanks

you're kidding - right ?

cell phones need to talk to cell towers
on cellular frequncies using cellular protocols -

cordless phones need to talk to base units
on cordless freqs using their brand of protocol

am / fm / tv - all different technologies

802.11 is basically a wireless Ethernet LAN protocol (in simple terms)
therefore, all devices must be 802.11 technology

how to connect a laptop or any other "wireless device" as you call it
--> it needs a wireless 802.11 card - period -
cell phone --> not possible, unless they access the Internet via their
phone
to get to any resources you may have online and avail to "anyone"
on the Internet - wireless or not -

WAP is sort of like HTML for phones - scaled down since there is not a
big browser on the phone - - and has nothing to do wireless radio
technology -

In article <(E-Mail Removed) >,
Christopher <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
:So let's say that you have a linksys wireless router. Could a cell
hone that claims WAP be able to use the internet connection with the
:linksys router?

No.

I pointed to the specifications in a previous posting. 802.11 is
just *one* supported bearer layer. If you wanted to use
the linksys router from a WAP cell phone, you would need the
appropriate cell-phone transceiver with whatever
necessary network interconnect equipment.

There are several different incompatible cell-phone standards --
GSM, CDMA, TDMA, and others. Your supposition that they might
all be able to use the linksys router would be equivilent to
supposing that all those cell phones could communicate with each
other directly.

--
Scintillate, scintillate, globule vivific
Fain would I fathom thy nature specific.
Loftily poised on ether capacious
Strongly resembling a gem carbonaceous. -- Anon

Are you confusing WAP (Wireless Application Protocal) with WAP (W
ireless Access Point)?

Guy
"Christopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> Does anyone know if all WAP devices are 802.11?
>
> Seems they should be right? WAP(wireless application protocol) can
> use any 802.11 device? Or is there another wireless protocol that WAP
> uses?

"Phil Schuman" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<bf7ot1$h28$(E-Mail Removed)>...
> "Christopher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > Guess what I am trying to do is purchase a wireless router or switch
> > to give users internet via a wireless connection. But I want to
> > include users who have a laptop, cell phone (WAP) or any other device
> > that can connect to a wireless system.
> >
> > Does anyone know which appliance is best to support different devices
> > to provide wireless internet?
> >
> > Thanks
>
> you're kidding - right ?
>

No. I wasn't kidding. I was referring to the cell phones that have
email, internet etc functionality and the specs of some of these cell
phones claim they use WAP.

So I was wanting to know if these types of phones, palmtops, pocket
PCs just as the laptops that have a 802.11 card built-in, can leverage
a linksys wireless router?

Or does the router have to support 802.11 + some networking protocol
for WAP?

Reason I ask is I don't see anything specified in the cell phones,
palm tops, pocket PCs that indicate they use 802.11 they just say
WAP(wireless application protocol).

Basic idea is say I've a linksys router can the cell phones,palm tops,
pocket PCs connect to the internet via a linksys router? Or does the
router require something else to support these devices?






> cell phones need to talk to cell towers
> on cellular frequncies using cellular protocols -
>
> cordless phones need to talk to base units
> on cordless freqs using their brand of protocol
>
> am / fm / tv - all different technologies
>
> 802.11 is basically a wireless Ethernet LAN protocol (in simple terms)
> therefore, all devices must be 802.11 technology
>
> how to connect a laptop or any other "wireless device" as you call it
> --> it needs a wireless 802.11 card - period -
> cell phone --> not possible, unless they access the Internet via their
> phone
> to get to any resources you may have online and avail to "anyone"
> on the Internet - wireless or not -
>
> WAP is sort of like HTML for phones - scaled down since there is not a
> big browser on the phone - - and has nothing to do wireless radio
> technology -