3 Wireless routers in a single premises?

Is it possible to run three wireless routers connected to three
different networks in the same house? I have ADSL and two cable
internet connections and would like all of them to have wireless
capability.

If possible, which are the best routers to buy for this config?

USE NETGEAR do not use linksys and why are you trying to set up 3
routers one router can handle it all.

how is he going to hook all that into one router?

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> USE NETGEAR do not use linksys and why are you trying to set up 3
> routers one router can handle it all.
>

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> how is he going to hook all that into one router?
>

drag some cat5 cable

Yes it is possible. Actually very easy in my opinion.


1. From each of your cable/dsl boxes connect a wireless router.
2. Have each router on a different channel 1,6,11 will provide the
least amount of interference.
3. The SSID can be the same for each router or different. The only
downside to using the same SSID is that the client may need to
rengotiate its IP address if it switches access points.

As far as the router that is the best depends on your needs. Linksys
has never done wireless well that is why they sell an add on box to
boost coverage. I have had both Dlink, Netgear and a Pre N Belkin and
the best is hard to say. The Netgear may have had the best interface
but it did not last nor did its replacement under warranty. The dlink
has a good balance between performance and managability. The Belkin has
in my opinion the worst interface but the best range.


Jim Donald wrote:
> Is it possible to run three wireless routers connected to three
> different networks in the same house? I have ADSL and two cable
> internet connections and would like all of them to have wireless
> capability.
>
> If possible, which are the best routers to buy for this config?

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:24:16 GMT, Jim Donald <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Is it possible to run three wireless routers connected to three
>different networks in the same house? I have ADSL and two cable
>internet connections and would like all of them to have wireless
>capability.

You must be wealthy to afford all that connectivity. Well, you're
going to need some way to keep them separate so that the client
computahs can distinguish which access point to connect. Use
different SSID's for each access point and you'll have a choice. To
avoid mutual RF interference, put them on the three non-overlapping
channels of 1, 6, and 11.

>If possible, which are the best routers to buy for this config?

That quality and type of router or access point depends on your
requirements and price limitations. I'm partial to separate boxes for
the DSL and cable modems, for the routers, and for the wireless access
points. Give some specs (coverage area, price, expected performance,
anticipated range, number of wall and floors to penetrate,
construction material, available CAT5 wiring, ad nauseam) and I'll
offer a suggestion.

I think you're doing this all wrong. You've got multiple broadband
connections, so why not run everything through one load balancing
router? See:
http://www.netgear.com/products/details/FVS124G.php
Two WAN ports (one for each cable) connection. $170. You won't get
twice as much speed as it can't combine streams, but it will balance
the load between cable connections automagically. You also only need
one wireless access point connected to this router.

If you really wanna combine all three broadband connections, then
there are more expensive multi-homed routers.
http://www.edimax.com/html/english/p...-PRIrouter.htm
http://www.edimax.com/html/english/p...ist-router.htm
With one of these, you only need one wireless access point.

Combine and conquer?

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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:55:03 GMT, Jeff Liebermann
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:24:16 GMT, Jim Donald <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>>Is it possible to run three wireless routers connected to three
>>different networks in the same house? I have ADSL and two cable
>>internet connections and would like all of them to have wireless
>>capability.
>
>You must be wealthy to afford all that connectivity.

Hehe. Not really. Just a bit impulsive. But now I've signed those
contracts I want to make the most of what I'm paying for. The basic
setup is:

1. 1 x ADSL on a Netgear DG834G plugged ino my telephone line
2. 1 x home cable
3. 1 x business cable

2 and 3 are from the same provider (but different services) and I
would like to have each of them wireless or, as you suggest, combine
both through the one router. I didn't know such devices were
available. Also - I have 4 x AXIS IP cams to connect to the business
cable service (cos it offers the fastest upload speed). And I am
rather keen to run WS-FTP Server on one of the networks. There are
also various other small WiFi devices that would benefit from wireless
connectivity (IPAQs etc.). My house is a bijou apartment with lots of
reinforced concrete, as well as some Gyproc partition walls ;-) A sort
of 1970s 'throw it up quick' affair. Y'know?

>Well, you're
>going to need some way to keep them separate so that the client
>computahs can distinguish which access point to connect. Use
>different SSID's for each access point and you'll have a choice. To
>avoid mutual RF interference, put them on the three non-overlapping
>channels of 1, 6, and 11.

Interesting. I didn't know about this either.

>>If possible, which are the best routers to buy for this config?
>
>That quality and type of router or access point depends on your
>requirements and price limitations. I'm partial to separate boxes for
>the DSL and cable modems, for the routers, and for the wireless access
>points. Give some specs (coverage area, price, expected performance,
>anticipated range, number of wall and floors to penetrate,
>construction material, available CAT5 wiring, ad nauseam) and I'll
>offer a suggestion.

Thanks. I don't mind spending to get the right kit that will work
without problems. Then again - none of this is mission-critical (I'm
an old retired codger with time on his hands). So a happy medium would
be nice. If that's possible.
>
>I think you're doing this all wrong. You've got multiple broadband
>connections, so why not run everything through one load balancing
>router? See:
> http://www.netgear.com/products/details/FVS124G.php
>Two WAN ports (one for each cable) connection. $170. You won't get
>twice as much speed as it can't combine streams, but it will balance
>the load between cable connections automagically. You also only need
>one wireless access point connected to this router.

This sounds like just the ticket Jeff. I'll have a look at that link
right away. Thanks again.
>
>If you really wanna combine all three broadband connections, then
>there are more expensive multi-homed routers.
> http://www.edimax.com/html/english/p...-PRIrouter.htm
> http://www.edimax.com/html/english/p...ist-router.htm
>With one of these, you only need one wireless access point.
>
>Combine and conquer?

I am much obliged for your input. Any further advice or comment
gratefully received. Thank you.

Jim

> Two WAN ports (one for each cable) connection. $170. You won't get
> twice as much speed as it can't combine streams, but it will balance
> the load between cable connections automagically. You also only need

It can actually work to deliver twice the speed depending on the client.
For something that creates multiple TCP connections it does. With a
multithreading download manager, the load balancing router works great.

What might not work so well is port forwarding. At least it didn't seem
to on the router that I once used. What seemed to happen was that the
inbound would come in via one route and the return had a 50/50 chance of
going the same path thus connections were unreliable and the only
affinity that was hard settable was that for SMTP.

Mileage may vary with a different router.

David.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:45:49 GMT, Jim Donald <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>1. 1 x ADSL on a Netgear DG834G plugged ino my telephone line

Well, you already have wireless in the DG834G, so I would leave that
alone. Incidentally, this is why I detest all-in-one conglomerated
units and prefer seperate DSL modem, router, and wireless.

>2. 1 x home cable
>3. 1 x business cable

Just cable modems? No routers?

>2 and 3 are from the same provider (but different services) and I
>would like to have each of them wireless or, as you suggest, combine
>both through the one router.

I'm still trying to figure out why you need all this bandwidth.

>I have 4 x AXIS IP cams to connect to the business
>cable service (cos it offers the fastest upload speed).

Well, combining a multi-homed router will do nothing for outgoing
bandwidth. You'll still have two different IP addresses for each of
the cable modems. Users will need to select which one gets the
traffic. No way to load balance this traffic. However, you could put
two cameras on one IP and the other two cameras on the other IP.

>And I am
>rather keen to run WS-FTP Server on one of the networks.

Same problem as the cameras. Outgoing FTP will not be load balanced
and users will need to select which of the two IP's to use for their
file transfers.

>There are
>also various other small WiFi devices that would benefit from wireless
>connectivity (IPAQs etc.).

Yeah, but an IPAQ doesn't need huge amounts of bandwidth.

>My house is a bijou apartment with lots of
>reinforced concrete, as well as some Gyproc partition walls ;-) A sort
>of 1970s 'throw it up quick' affair. Y'know?

Yech. That's RF hell. 2.4GHz does not go through concrete very well.
Sheet rock is so-so. You'll probably need an access point in each of
the main user areas, with CAT5 cable interconnections.


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> Well, combining a multi-homed router will do nothing for outgoing
> bandwidth. You'll still have two different IP addresses for each of
> the cable modems. Users will need to select which one gets the

Not necessarily a question to you Jeff and a wholly arbitrary bit of
quoted text there but do any of the US cable/dsl providers offer
bonding? There are plenty of UK ones that do which and obviously that
would work much better if outgoing bandwidth is an issue.

> Same problem as the cameras. Outgoing FTP will not be load balanced
> and users will need to select which of the two IP's to use for their
> file transfers.

I wonder if he can persuade his DNS host to provide DNS round robin (if
it doesn't already do so)? No aggregation but at least it would load
balance connections.

David.