21CN rollout

Dates in 2009/10 had been set for exchanges in North Somerset to be
upgraded to 21CN WBC. These dates appear to have been abandoned and now
the statement from BT is:

"We are currently deploying kit to serve 55% by Spring 2010 and
additionally BT Wholesale has announced its intention to reach 75% by
Spring 2011."

http://www.btplc.com/21CN/Theroadto2...milestones.htm

75% sounds impressive, but is actually only a small fraction of
exchanges; those in small towns and downwards would not be included.

Is rollout taking longer than expected due to cost, or technical
difficulties?

Should the government be putting pressure on BT to rollout 21CN faster?

--
Mark Lewis, North Somerset

Mark Lewis wrote:
> Dates in 2009/10 had been set for exchanges in North Somerset to be
> upgraded to 21CN WBC. These dates appear to have been abandoned and now
> the statement from BT is:
>
> "We are currently deploying kit to serve 55% by Spring 2010 and
> additionally BT Wholesale has announced its intention to reach 75% by
> Spring 2011."
>
> http://www.btplc.com/21CN/Theroadto2...milestones.htm
>
> 75% sounds impressive, but is actually only a small fraction of
> exchanges; those in small towns and downwards would not be included.
>
> Is rollout taking longer than expected due to cost, or technical
> difficulties?
>
> Should the government be putting pressure on BT to rollout 21CN faster?
>
I wish they would just get some form of broadband for the numerous
customers who cant do better than a 32k modem.


Trying to download 4.5Mbyte..sheesh.

"Mark Lewis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:4bf3bbbe$0$2527$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Dates in 2009/10 had been set for exchanges in North Somerset to be
> upgraded to 21CN WBC. These dates appear to have been abandoned and now
> the statement from BT is:
>
> "We are currently deploying kit to serve 55% by Spring 2010 and
> additionally BT Wholesale has announced its intention to reach 75% by
> Spring 2011."
>
> http://www.btplc.com/21CN/Theroadto2...milestones.htm
>
> 75% sounds impressive, but is actually only a small fraction of exchanges;
> those in small towns and downwards would not be included.
>
> Is rollout taking longer than expected due to cost, or technical
> difficulties?
>
> Should the government be putting pressure on BT to rollout 21CN faster?
>
>
Think Broadband reported the other day BT putting more money into FTTC and
rolling out quicker.
Regards
David

Engaged wrote:
>> Should the government be putting pressure on BT to rollout 21CN faster?
>>
>
> If thats the case what about putting pressure on Virgin media to extend
> their network or run it in rural areas as well?
>
>
or putting pressure on god to design a better human being that didn't
breed like rabbits, and then complain about all the cool stuff we could
have if the population was a mere 2 million...;-)

On 19/05/10 11:21, Mark Lewis wrote:

> Should the government be putting pressure on BT to rollout 21CN faster?

If the government wants to micro-manage BT's operations, then it should
nationalise it. Otherwise, it should keep out.

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On 19/05/2010 17:54, Engaged wrote:
> If thats the case what about putting pressure on Virgin media to extend
> their network or run it in rural areas as well?

The Conservative manifesto pledge includes "other infrastructure providers":

"We will scrap Labour's phone tax and instead
require BT and other infrastructure providers
to allow the use of their assets to deliver superfast
broadband across the country. If necessary,
we will consider using the part of the licence
fee that is supporting the digital switchover to
fund broadband in areas that the market alone
will not reach." P24.

http://media.conservatives.s3.amazon...010_lowres.pdf

Catch 22. You need broadband to download it.

--
Mark Lewis, North Somerset

On 19/05/2010 18:49, alexd wrote:
> If the government wants to micro-manage BT's operations, then it should
> nationalise it. Otherwise, it should keep out.

Driving rollout is obviously not micromanagement.

The Conservative manifesto says:

"We want Britain to become a European hub
for hi-tech, digital and creative industries –
but this can only happen if we have the right
infrastructure in place. Establishing a superfast
broadband network throughout the UK
could generate 600,000 additional jobs and add
£18 billion to Britain’s GDP.

We will scrap Labour's phone tax and instead
require BT and other infrastructure providers
to allow the use of their assets to deliver superfast
broadband across the country. If necessary,
we will consider using the part of the licence
fee that is supporting the digital switchover to
fund broadband in areas that the market alone
will not reach." P24

http://media.conservatives.s3.amazon...010_lowres.pdf


The LibDem manifesto promises to:

"Support public investment in the roll-out of superfast broadband,
targeted first at those areas which are least likely to be provided for
by the market." P26

http://network.libdems.org.uk/manife...festo_2010.pdf

--
Mark Lewis, North Somerset

In article <ht18bs$if2$(E-Mail Removed)>,
alexd <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>If the government wants to micro-manage BT's operations, then it should
>nationalise it. Otherwise, it should keep out.

Why's that? I'm not saying the government should "micro-manage" them,
but why should they only do it if they're nationalised?

-- Richard

"Richard Tobin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In article <ht18bs$if2$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> alexd <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>If the government wants to micro-manage BT's operations, then it should
>>nationalise it. Otherwise, it should keep out.
>
> Why's that? I'm not saying the government should "micro-manage" them,
> but why should they only do it if they're nationalised?
>

I have asked BT if they could tell me when they will change my copper wire
to FTTC.
They ignored the question, should I have asked when Is 21CN rolled out to
me?

They replied I can have BT Total Broadband but not BT Infinity, at 5 Mb
download. I will not take up the offer as I get 12.6 Mb with Be Unlimited.
Regards
David

"John" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> "Richard Tobin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:hte7pg$1e88$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> In article <ht18bs$if2$(E-Mail Removed)>,
>>> alexd <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the government wants to micro-manage BT's operations, then it
>>>> should nationalise it. Otherwise, it should keep out.
>>>
>>> Why's that? I'm not saying the government should "micro-manage"
>>> them, but why should they only do it if they're nationalised?
>>>
>>
>> I have asked BT if they could tell me when they will change my copper
>> wire to FTTC.
>
> They won't change your copper wire anyway. FTTC stands for Fibre To The
> Cabinet, which means fibre from the exchange to the cabinet, where it is
> then terminated and connected to the existing copper leaving the cab.
>
>> They ignored the question, should I have asked when Is 21CN rolled
>> out to me?
>
> 21CN was originally going to be ADSL2+ but FTTC has now sort of 'gazumped'
> it. Have a look here and you'll see a link in the text "when we're
> planning to come to your area"
>
> http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...?topicId=29017
>

Yes I know that FTTC means Fibre to the cabinet as that is the terminology
used by Think-Broadband web site.
My estate does not have visible cabinets, Cable do but they different. We
do have large covers over on the pavements marked GPO, one outside my next
door neighbours. I am aware the last part to me from the ' Cabinet' will
remain copper, one assumes this will make a very small loss to the 24 Mb Be
Unlimited start at the Exchange with.

With the BT Infinity service are they fibre from the Cabinet right into the
house?
The Link for when just mentions several areas, unfortunately my Exchange not
there.

Do the FTTC I'm after come at same time as BT Infinity, eg same fibre
network?

Regards
David
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