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      04-12-2005, 02:45 PM
I'm looking for anyone who may have some advice or may have had experience
with this type of situation in the local governmetn/public safety sector.

We are currently working to develop and migrate from NT to 2003 server and
exchange. The actual migration part of this is not a problem however the
question of what is the best way to setup the network has become an issue.
We have two IT groups, one for the county gov and one for public safety, each
at their respective locations. The question has come down to does it make
more sense to create an AD structure with a county gov as the only domain and
all other departments, including public safety(which includes dispatching,
fire, EMS, Emergency management, 24/7 operation) as OU's or would it be
beneficial for the public safety division to be another/separate domain
within the AD structure??? Currently the two sides manage their own servers,
exchange, network and have minimal interaction with the exception of email.

Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions, feedback...etc are greatly appreciated.

Thanks...
 
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      04-12-2005, 03:48 PM
I don't envy you. My limited experience with state and local government IT
suggests that this is more likely to be a politcal/cultural/psychological
than an pure AD administration decision. Most likely each IT group views
the other as under worked and overpaid. If you try to marry them in one
domain, it will be viewed as a job threatening consolidation move. My
advice is to give them separate domains in the same forest - let the County
Commissioners and the Sheriff fight it out if there is strong pressure for a
unified IT Department. Probably Public Safety has enough unique security
issues to justify the two domain configuration anyway. Probably they'd
prefer separate forests as well.

Doug Sherman
MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP

"publicsafetyITAdmin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
in message news:EAAC3F61-E08B-4854-BEF3-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I'm looking for anyone who may have some advice or may have had experience
> with this type of situation in the local governmetn/public safety sector.
>
> We are currently working to develop and migrate from NT to 2003 server and
> exchange. The actual migration part of this is not a problem however the
> question of what is the best way to setup the network has become an issue.
> We have two IT groups, one for the county gov and one for public safety,

each
> at their respective locations. The question has come down to does it make
> more sense to create an AD structure with a county gov as the only domain

and
> all other departments, including public safety(which includes dispatching,
> fire, EMS, Emergency management, 24/7 operation) as OU's or would it be
> beneficial for the public safety division to be another/separate domain
> within the AD structure??? Currently the two sides manage their own

servers,
> exchange, network and have minimal interaction with the exception of

email.
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions, feedback...etc are greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks...



 
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      04-12-2005, 07:27 PM
Doug...you are pretty much right on the money with your analogy. Thank you
for your feedback. Can you think of any pros/cons (besides obvious control)
of going with the separate domains rather than as an OU? It has been my
belief to go with single forest with two domains off the root from the start,
however I have come to a roadblock when it comes to getting concrete reasons
through to the otherside of the fence. Any additional feedback would be
great or could take this offline...

"Doug Sherman [MVP]" wrote:

> I don't envy you. My limited experience with state and local government IT
> suggests that this is more likely to be a politcal/cultural/psychological
> than an pure AD administration decision. Most likely each IT group views
> the other as under worked and overpaid. If you try to marry them in one
> domain, it will be viewed as a job threatening consolidation move. My
> advice is to give them separate domains in the same forest - let the County
> Commissioners and the Sheriff fight it out if there is strong pressure for a
> unified IT Department. Probably Public Safety has enough unique security
> issues to justify the two domain configuration anyway. Probably they'd
> prefer separate forests as well.
>
> Doug Sherman
> MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP
>
> "publicsafetyITAdmin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
> in message news:EAAC3F61-E08B-4854-BEF3-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I'm looking for anyone who may have some advice or may have had experience
> > with this type of situation in the local governmetn/public safety sector.
> >
> > We are currently working to develop and migrate from NT to 2003 server and
> > exchange. The actual migration part of this is not a problem however the
> > question of what is the best way to setup the network has become an issue.
> > We have two IT groups, one for the county gov and one for public safety,

> each
> > at their respective locations. The question has come down to does it make
> > more sense to create an AD structure with a county gov as the only domain

> and
> > all other departments, including public safety(which includes dispatching,
> > fire, EMS, Emergency management, 24/7 operation) as OU's or would it be
> > beneficial for the public safety division to be another/separate domain
> > within the AD structure??? Currently the two sides manage their own

> servers,
> > exchange, network and have minimal interaction with the exception of

> email.
> >
> > Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions, feedback...etc are greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks...

>
>
>

 
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      04-13-2005, 01:01 AM
The big pro for separate domains is that they provide a security boundary
for certain policies which must be configured on a domain-wide basis:

"Account policies and Public Key policies have domain-wide scope and are set
at the domain GPO level. All other policies can be specified at the level of
the organizational unit. Some policies that can be applied only at the
domain container level include:

Password policy. Determines the rules, such
as password length, that must be met when a user sets a password.

Account lockout policy. Defines rules for intruder detection and account
deactivation.

Kerberosticket policy. Determines the lifetime of a Kerberos ticket. A
Kerberos ticket is obtained during the logon process and is used for network
authentication. A particular ticket is only valid for the lifetime specified
in the policy."


http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...21d45bcc7.mspx

Public safety agencies/departments may need to access state and federal
databases which increasingly insist upon security requirements which may not
be practical or desireable for the county domain.

Doug Sherman
MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP

"publicsafetyITAdmin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
in message news:57B58980-F10E-4B3D-9336-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Doug...you are pretty much right on the money with your analogy. Thank

you
> for your feedback. Can you think of any pros/cons (besides obvious

control)
> of going with the separate domains rather than as an OU? It has been my
> belief to go with single forest with two domains off the root from the

start,
> however I have come to a roadblock when it comes to getting concrete

reasons
> through to the otherside of the fence. Any additional feedback would be
> great or could take this offline...
>
> "Doug Sherman [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > I don't envy you. My limited experience with state and local government

IT
> > suggests that this is more likely to be a

politcal/cultural/psychological
> > than an pure AD administration decision. Most likely each IT group

views
> > the other as under worked and overpaid. If you try to marry them in one
> > domain, it will be viewed as a job threatening consolidation move. My
> > advice is to give them separate domains in the same forest - let the

County
> > Commissioners and the Sheriff fight it out if there is strong pressure

for a
> > unified IT Department. Probably Public Safety has enough unique

security
> > issues to justify the two domain configuration anyway. Probably they'd
> > prefer separate forests as well.
> >
> > Doug Sherman
> > MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP
> >
> > "publicsafetyITAdmin" <(E-Mail Removed)>

wrote
> > in message news:EAAC3F61-E08B-4854-BEF3-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I'm looking for anyone who may have some advice or may have had

experience
> > > with this type of situation in the local governmetn/public safety

sector.
> > >
> > > We are currently working to develop and migrate from NT to 2003 server

and
> > > exchange. The actual migration part of this is not a problem however

the
> > > question of what is the best way to setup the network has become an

issue.
> > > We have two IT groups, one for the county gov and one for public

safety,
> > each
> > > at their respective locations. The question has come down to does it

make
> > > more sense to create an AD structure with a county gov as the only

domain
> > and
> > > all other departments, including public safety(which includes

dispatching,
> > > fire, EMS, Emergency management, 24/7 operation) as OU's or would it

be
> > > beneficial for the public safety division to be another/separate

domain
> > > within the AD structure??? Currently the two sides manage their own

> > servers,
> > > exchange, network and have minimal interaction with the exception of

> > email.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions, feedback...etc are greatly

appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks...

> >
> >
> >



 
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