2 Wireless Routers Running off the same Modem?

I haven't been able to find an article that addresses this.

I have a Tivo that is connected to my wireless network, using a Linksys
wireless USB adapter. For a number of reasons, connecting the Tivo via
wire to my router is not an option. Because of Tivo software
limitations, I can't enable WPA encryption, so I'm stuck with WEP. Is it
possible to connect another wireless router to my network, so that I can
accommodate my Tivo using WEP for SSID (A) and WPA through the other
wireless router, SSID (B) that I use to connect other computers. If it
is, how would I go about doing that? I tried connecting the second
router to the primary using a cat 6 from LAN port on primary to WAN port
on secondary. Primary router shows secondary is attached, but no IP
address is assigned. Is that to be expected? Any creative solutions are
appreciated.

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:55:02 -0500, optikl <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I have a Tivo that is connected to my wireless network, using a Linksys
> wireless USB adapter. For a number of reasons, connecting the Tivo via
> wire to my router is not an option. Because of Tivo software
> limitations, I can't enable WPA encryption, so I'm stuck with WEP. Is it
> possible to connect another wireless router to my network, so that I can
> accommodate my Tivo using WEP for SSID (A) and WPA through the other
> wireless router, SSID (B) that I use to connect other computers. If it
> is, how would I go about doing that? I tried connecting the second
> router to the primary using a cat 6 from LAN port on primary to WAN port
> on secondary. Primary router shows secondary is attached, but no IP
> address is assigned. Is that to be expected? Any creative solutions are
> appreciated.

What is this "primary"? If it's a plain modem with no NAT or routing
ability then this won't work. The way to do this in that situation would
be to get a plain WPA-capable Access Point (non-routing wireless) and
attach that to another of the LAN ports of the working Netgear router.

Tony

optikl <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

> I haven't been able to find an article that addresses this.
>
> I have a Tivo that is connected to my wireless network, using a
> Linksys wireless USB adapter. For a number of reasons, connecting the
> Tivo via wire to my router is not an option. Because of Tivo software
> limitations, I can't enable WPA encryption, so I'm stuck with WEP. Is
> it possible to connect another wireless router to my network, so that
> I can accommodate my Tivo using WEP for SSID (A) and WPA through the
> other wireless router, SSID (B) that I use to connect other
> computers. If it is, how would I go about doing that? I tried
> connecting the second router to the primary using a cat 6 from LAN
> port on primary to WAN port on secondary. Primary router shows
> secondary is attached, but no IP address is assigned. Is that to be
> expected? Any creative solutions are appreciated.

I've done this.

1) connect LAN port on "primary" to one of the LAN ports on "secondary."

2) Turn off DHCP and NAT on the secondary

3) "Primary" will have a LAN address. Maybe 192.168.0.1. Give
"secondary" a _fixed_ LAN address of, perhaps, 192.168.0.xxx where
xxx is outside of the range of the DHCP supplied LAN addresses by
"Primary."

I think this is everything, and it worked for me. "Primary" was a
d-link wireless router connected to a cable modem, and "secondary" was
a netgear connected to the d-link.

Anthony R. Gold wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:55:02 -0500, optikl <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
>>I have a Tivo that is connected to my wireless network, using a Linksys
>>wireless USB adapter. For a number of reasons, connecting the Tivo via
>>wire to my router is not an option. Because of Tivo software
>>limitations, I can't enable WPA encryption, so I'm stuck with WEP. Is it
>>possible to connect another wireless router to my network, so that I can
>>accommodate my Tivo using WEP for SSID (A) and WPA through the other
>>wireless router, SSID (B) that I use to connect other computers. If it
>>is, how would I go about doing that? I tried connecting the second
>>router to the primary using a cat 6 from LAN port on primary to WAN port
>>on secondary. Primary router shows secondary is attached, but no IP
>>address is assigned. Is that to be expected? Any creative solutions are
>>appreciated.
>
>
> What is this "primary"? If it's a plain modem with no NAT or routing
> ability then this won't work. The way to do this in that situation would
> be to get a plain WPA-capable Access Point (non-routing wireless) and
> attach that to another of the LAN ports of the working Netgear router.
>
> Tony
>

Thanks, Tony:

It's the primary router, connected directly to the modem (a Netgear
624 WGT). The secondary router (Linksys BEFW11S4)I had connected to the
Netgear: Netgear LAN port to Linksys WAN port.

How will the WPA capable access point allow me to use WPA for Tivo,
since the Tivo software doesn't accomodate WPA encryption?

Doug Anderson wrote:
> optikl <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>
>
>>I haven't been able to find an article that addresses this.
>>
>>I have a Tivo that is connected to my wireless network, using a
>>Linksys wireless USB adapter. For a number of reasons, connecting the
>>Tivo via wire to my router is not an option. Because of Tivo software
>>limitations, I can't enable WPA encryption, so I'm stuck with WEP. Is
>>it possible to connect another wireless router to my network, so that
>>I can accommodate my Tivo using WEP for SSID (A) and WPA through the
>>other wireless router, SSID (B) that I use to connect other
>>computers. If it is, how would I go about doing that? I tried
>>connecting the second router to the primary using a cat 6 from LAN
>>port on primary to WAN port on secondary. Primary router shows
>>secondary is attached, but no IP address is assigned. Is that to be
>>expected? Any creative solutions are appreciated.
>
>
> I've done this.
>
> 1) connect LAN port on "primary" to one of the LAN ports on "secondary."
>
> 2) Turn off DHCP and NAT on the secondary
>
> 3) "Primary" will have a LAN address. Maybe 192.168.0.1. Give
> "secondary" a _fixed_ LAN address of, perhaps, 192.168.0.xxx where
> xxx is outside of the range of the DHCP supplied LAN addresses by
> "Primary."
>
> I think this is everything, and it worked for me. "Primary" was a
> d-link wireless router connected to a cable modem, and "secondary" was
> a netgear connected to the d-link.


Doug, I'll give this a go. Thanks so much!

newsgroups.comcast.net wrote:
> Doug Anderson wrote:
>
>> optikl <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
>>
>>
>>> I haven't been able to find an article that addresses this.
>>>
>>> I have a Tivo that is connected to my wireless network, using a
>>> Linksys wireless USB adapter. For a number of reasons, connecting the
>>> Tivo via wire to my router is not an option. Because of Tivo software
>>> limitations, I can't enable WPA encryption, so I'm stuck with WEP. Is
>>> it possible to connect another wireless router to my network, so that
>>> I can accommodate my Tivo using WEP for SSID (A) and WPA through the
>>> other wireless router, SSID (B) that I use to connect other
>>> computers. If it is, how would I go about doing that? I tried
>>> connecting the second router to the primary using a cat 6 from LAN
>>> port on primary to WAN port on secondary. Primary router shows
>>> secondary is attached, but no IP address is assigned. Is that to be
>>> expected? Any creative solutions are appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've done this.
>>
>> 1) connect LAN port on "primary" to one of the LAN ports on "secondary."
>>
>> 2) Turn off DHCP and NAT on the secondary
>>
>> 3) "Primary" will have a LAN address. Maybe 192.168.0.1. Give
>> "secondary" a _fixed_ LAN address of, perhaps, 192.168.0.xxx where
>> xxx is outside of the range of the DHCP supplied LAN addresses by
>> "Primary."
>>
>> I think this is everything, and it worked for me. "Primary" was a
>> d-link wireless router connected to a cable modem, and "secondary" was
>> a netgear connected to the d-link.
>
>
>
> Doug, I'll give this a go. Thanks so much!


But it seems this would not accomplish what you want. Adding another
router running only WEP just for the tivo would create another much less
secure wireless network and have the same net effect of just using WEP
on the first router.

George wrote:
> newsgroups.comcast.net wrote:
>

>
> But it seems this would not accomplish what you want. Adding another
> router running only WEP just for the tivo would create another much less
> secure wireless network and have the same net effect of just using WEP
> on the first router.

I'm open to other options. How would the net effect be the same?
Wouldn't the WPA encrypted information over SSID (A) be secure and only
the WEP encrypted Tivo data on SSID (B) be at risk? Is there some other
option available to me, considering that Tivo software doesn't provide
for WPA, yet? Maybe I misunderstand basic wireless networking.

George <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

> newsgroups.comcast.net wrote:
> > Doug Anderson wrote:
> >
> >> optikl <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I haven't been able to find an article that addresses this.
> >>>
> >>> I have a Tivo that is connected to my wireless network, using a
> >>> Linksys wireless USB adapter. For a number of reasons, connecting the
> >>> Tivo via wire to my router is not an option. Because of Tivo software
> >>> limitations, I can't enable WPA encryption, so I'm stuck with WEP. Is
> >>> it possible to connect another wireless router to my network, so that
> >>> I can accommodate my Tivo using WEP for SSID (A) and WPA through the
> >>> other wireless router, SSID (B) that I use to connect other
> >>> computers. If it is, how would I go about doing that? I tried
> >>> connecting the second router to the primary using a cat 6 from LAN
> >>> port on primary to WAN port on secondary. Primary router shows
> >>> secondary is attached, but no IP address is assigned. Is that to be
> >>> expected? Any creative solutions are appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I've done this.
> >>
> >> 1) connect LAN port on "primary" to one of the LAN ports on "secondary."
> >>
> >> 2) Turn off DHCP and NAT on the secondary
> >>
> >> 3) "Primary" will have a LAN address. Maybe 192.168.0.1. Give
> >> "secondary" a _fixed_ LAN address of, perhaps, 192.168.0.xxx where
> >> xxx is outside of the range of the DHCP supplied LAN addresses by
> >> "Primary."
> >>
> >> I think this is everything, and it worked for me. "Primary" was a
> >> d-link wireless router connected to a cable modem, and "secondary" was
> >> a netgear connected to the d-link.
> > Doug, I'll give this a go. Thanks so much!
>
>
> But it seems this would not accomplish what you want. Adding another
> router running only WEP just for the tivo would create another much
> less secure wireless network and have the same net effect of just
> using WEP on the first router.

That isn't quite true. The traffic between the WPA router and the
laptop would be encrypted, so harder to spy on.

Since WEP is easy to break, they could still probably spy on the
traffic between the WEP router and the TIVO, and possibly attach to
the first router eventually.

I would use MAC address filtering on the first router if I was
concerned about this, so that they would at least need to spoof the
MAC id of the TIVO to attach to the first router.

Doug Anderson wrote:

>>>>I've done this.
>>>>
>>>>1) connect LAN port on "primary" to one of the LAN ports on "secondary."
>>>>
>>>>2) Turn off DHCP and NAT on the secondary
>>>>
>>>>3) "Primary" will have a LAN address. Maybe 192.168.0.1. Give
>>>> "secondary" a _fixed_ LAN address of, perhaps, 192.168.0.xxx where
>>>> xxx is outside of the range of the DHCP supplied LAN addresses by
>>>> "Primary."
>>>>
>>>>I think this is everything, and it worked for me. "Primary" was a
>>>>d-link wireless router connected to a cable modem, and "secondary" was
>>>>a netgear connected to the d-link.
>>>
>>>Doug, I'll give this a go. Thanks so much!
>>
Doug, two more questions.

1. Will my Linksys USB adapter connected to Tivo get its IP address from
the Linksys (secondary) router?

2. Will changing the Fixed LAN Address of the secondary router from its
default of 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.0.xxx affect the ability of the router
to assign an IP address to the adapter and to access the router's menu,
which by default is through http://192.168.1.1?

Thanks in advance.

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:55:02 -0500, in alt.internet.wireless , optikl
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I haven't been able to find an article that addresses this.
>
>I have a Tivo that is connected to my wireless network, using a Linksys
>wireless USB adapter. For a number of reasons, connecting the Tivo via
>wire to my router is not an option. Because of Tivo software
>limitations, I can't enable WPA encryption, so I'm stuck with WEP. Is it
>possible to connect another wireless router to my network, so that I can
>accommodate my Tivo using WEP for SSID (A) and WPA through the other
>wireless router, SSID (B) that I use to connect other computers. If it
>is, how would I go about doing that?

just connect some ethernet cable between a LAN socket on router 1 and
a lan socket on router 2, and disable the DHCP server in one of the
two. Then assign that router a fixed IP in the right range, and all
will work.

--
Mark McIntyre
CLC FAQ <http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html>
CLC readme: <http://www.ungerhu.com/jxh/clc.welcome.txt>

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