2 lines, 2 ADSL, 1 PC?

Is it possible that in the event of having 2 separate phone lines with
ADSL on each, you could 'run' them into 1 PC, and use them individually?

I have Plusnet ADSL at present on line 1, but am considering getting a
2nd provider on line 2, namely AOL (i have reasons for doing this which
aren't covered by the scope of this group)

So, the scenario would be ... use Firefox, News and Email clients on
Plusnet ADSL, along with logging into AOL at the same time, all on the
same PC.

Clearly i would have to utilise separate connection hardware (i'd
probably have 2 routers if such an idea is possible)

I'm a bit unsure quite how i'd have twin LAN's set up, or even how i'd
get the relevant software to use a specific one.

Ideas, advice, possibilities ... TIA

"Tx2" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> Is it possible that in the event of having 2 separate phone lines with
> ADSL on each, you could 'run' them into 1 PC, and use them individually?
>
> I have Plusnet ADSL at present on line 1, but am considering getting a
> 2nd provider on line 2, namely AOL (i have reasons for doing this which
> aren't covered by the scope of this group)
>
> So, the scenario would be ... use Firefox, News and Email clients on
> Plusnet ADSL, along with logging into AOL at the same time, all on the
> same PC.
>
> Clearly i would have to utilise separate connection hardware (i'd
> probably have 2 routers if such an idea is possible)
>
> I'm a bit unsure quite how i'd have twin LAN's set up, or even how i'd
> get the relevant software to use a specific one.
>
> Ideas, advice, possibilities ... TIA
>

do a search for ADSL Bonding, you can get software to bond 2 adsl line
together, I have a router made by symantec that uses dual inputs for load
balancing, but thats a bit expensive for what you require.

Ronny

www.1337hosts.com

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Tx2 <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Is it possible that in the event of having 2 separate phone lines with
> ADSL on each, you could 'run' them into 1 PC, and use them
> individually?
>
> I have Plusnet ADSL at present on line 1, but am considering getting a
> 2nd provider on line 2, namely AOL (i have reasons for doing this
> which aren't covered by the scope of this group)
>
> So, the scenario would be ... use Firefox, News and Email clients on
> Plusnet ADSL, along with logging into AOL at the same time, all on the
> same PC.
>
> Clearly i would have to utilise separate connection hardware (i'd
> probably have 2 routers if such an idea is possible)
>
> I'm a bit unsure quite how i'd have twin LAN's set up, or even how i'd
> get the relevant software to use a specific one.
>
> Ideas, advice, possibilities ... TIA

I think you'd have to have two routers, and two network cards in your PC.
Use manual IP addressing and set up 2 subnets, with non-overlapping address
ranges - with one router and card in one subnet, and the other router and
card in the second subnet. You would then have two independent internet
connections - each pointing at a separate gateway and DNS servers.

What I'm *not* clear about, is how to tell each browser and email client
which connection to use. For example, Outlook has an option saying "Connect
using my LAN". It doesn't say how to specify *which* LAN if you have more
than one! Anyone got any bright ideas?
--
Cheers,
Tim
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"Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Tx2 <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > Is it possible that in the event of having 2 separate phone lines with
> > ADSL on each, you could 'run' them into 1 PC, and use them
> > individually?
> >
> > I have Plusnet ADSL at present on line 1, but am considering getting a
> > 2nd provider on line 2, namely AOL (i have reasons for doing this
> > which aren't covered by the scope of this group)
> >
> > So, the scenario would be ... use Firefox, News and Email clients on
> > Plusnet ADSL, along with logging into AOL at the same time, all on the
> > same PC.
> >
> > Clearly i would have to utilise separate connection hardware (i'd
> > probably have 2 routers if such an idea is possible)
> >
> > I'm a bit unsure quite how i'd have twin LAN's set up, or even how i'd
> > get the relevant software to use a specific one.
> >
> > Ideas, advice, possibilities ... TIA
>
> I think you'd have to have two routers, and two network cards in your PC.
> Use manual IP addressing and set up 2 subnets, with non-overlapping
address
> ranges - with one router and card in one subnet, and the other router and
> card in the second subnet. You would then have two independent internet
> connections - each pointing at a separate gateway and DNS servers.
>
> What I'm *not* clear about, is how to tell each browser and email client
> which connection to use. For example, Outlook has an option saying
"Connect
> using my LAN". It doesn't say how to specify *which* LAN if you have more
> than one! Anyone got any bright ideas?
> --
> Cheers,
> Tim
> ______
> Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid.
>
>

I'd guess that if you had more than one LAN then you'd then get an option to
choose which LAN to use.

Martin.

In article <cko55j$cou$1$(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed),
a.k.a Ronny says...


> do a search for ADSL Bonding, you can get software to bond 2 adsl line
> together, I have a router made by symantec that uses dual inputs for load
> balancing, but thats a bit expensive for what you require.

I don't want to bond them, i thought i'd made that obvious?

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed), a.k.a
Tiscali Tim says...


> I think you'd have to have two routers, and two network cards in your PC.
> Use manual IP addressing and set up 2 subnets, with non-overlapping address
> ranges - with one router and card in one subnet, and the other router and
> card in the second subnet. You would then have two independent internet
> connections - each pointing at a separate gateway and DNS servers.

Sounds good ... when you refer to subnets, you mean the 255.255.255.0
part of the addressing i presume?

So, i'd have LAN1 on 192.168.0.*, with a subnet of 255.255.255.0, but
LAN2 would be on 10.0.0.* with a subnet of 255.255.255.??? (please fill
in the question marks!)

> What I'm *not* clear about, is how to tell each browser and email client
> which connection to use. For example, Outlook has an option saying "Connect
> using my LAN". It doesn't say how to specify *which* LAN if you have more
> than one! Anyone got any bright ideas?

ah ... in Outlook Express, you get the option to choose which
'connectiod' to use, so i guess if you have LAN1 and LAN2, you could
choose the required one.

However, as i'm going to be using AOL on the 2nd line, then i might get
away with it, as AOL is a self contained 'entity' not generally relying
on external configuration, at least, not the way some apps utilise
whichever settings you have in IE for their connection preferences,
that's how IUI.

I'd simply need AOL to be configured to connect via 'n' router, and that
would be it ... ?

It must be possible to operate on 2 LANS, selectively choosing which one
you wish to utilise at any given time?

Tiscali Tim wrote:
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Tx2 <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
>>Is it possible that in the event of having 2 separate phone lines with
>>ADSL on each, you could 'run' them into 1 PC, and use them
>>individually?
>>
>>I have Plusnet ADSL at present on line 1, but am considering getting a
>>2nd provider on line 2, namely AOL (i have reasons for doing this
>>which aren't covered by the scope of this group)
>>
>>So, the scenario would be ... use Firefox, News and Email clients on
>>Plusnet ADSL, along with logging into AOL at the same time, all on the
>>same PC.
>>
>>Clearly i would have to utilise separate connection hardware (i'd
>>probably have 2 routers if such an idea is possible)
>>
>>I'm a bit unsure quite how i'd have twin LAN's set up, or even how i'd
>>get the relevant software to use a specific one.
>>
>>Ideas, advice, possibilities ... TIA
>
>
> I think you'd have to have two routers, and two network cards in your PC.
> Use manual IP addressing and set up 2 subnets, with non-overlapping address
> ranges - with one router and card in one subnet, and the other router and
> card in the second subnet. You would then have two independent internet
> connections - each pointing at a separate gateway and DNS servers.
>
> What I'm *not* clear about, is how to tell each browser and email client
> which connection to use. For example, Outlook has an option saying "Connect
> using my LAN". It doesn't say how to specify *which* LAN if you have more
> than one! Anyone got any bright ideas?

I've never done it with ADSL circuits. However, if you were using (say)
ISDN and/or leased lines or something I'd be inclined to do sommat like

get a router - obvious I know - but one with multiple media access ports
the LAN port of the router can connect through to your computer or
internal network
connect one of the media ports to each circuit

Then set the routing rules such that requests to AOLs subnet go through
the AOL connection, and everything else goes through the other.

Then there is no need to change anything client side, and the router can
do what it does best, route.

There is an interesting article along these lines in the current (December!)
issue of PC Pro. Makes use of a feature in the Router to inhibit traffic
between the two subnets.

Maurice


"Tx2" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) t...
>
> Is it possible that in the event of having 2 separate phone lines with
> ADSL on each, you could 'run' them into 1 PC, and use them individually?
>
> I have Plusnet ADSL at present on line 1, but am considering getting a
> 2nd provider on line 2, namely AOL (i have reasons for doing this which
> aren't covered by the scope of this group)
>
> So, the scenario would be ... use Firefox, News and Email clients on
> Plusnet ADSL, along with logging into AOL at the same time, all on the
> same PC.
>
> Clearly i would have to utilise separate connection hardware (i'd
> probably have 2 routers if such an idea is possible)
>
> I'm a bit unsure quite how i'd have twin LAN's set up, or even how i'd
> get the relevant software to use a specific one.
>
> Ideas, advice, possibilities ... TIA
>

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Tx2 <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
> Sounds good ... when you refer to subnets, you mean the 255.255.255.0
> part of the addressing i presume?
>
> So, i'd have LAN1 on 192.168.0.*, with a subnet of 255.255.255.0, but
> LAN2 would be on 10.0.0.* with a subnet of 255.255.255.??? (please
> fill in the question marks!)

255.255.255.0 or whatever is the subnet *mask* - not the subnet itself. The
mask simply determines how much of the IP address defines the subnet, and
how much the individual entities within that subnet. The subnet itself is
obtained by doing a bitwise logical AND of the IP address with the mask. You
can use the same mask for both.

A mask of 255.255.255.0 simply means that the first 24 bits of the 32 bit IP
address define the network, leaving the last 8 bits (with a valve range of
0-255) for your individual devices. When you AND 192.168.0.n with
255.255.255.0 you get 192.168.0.0 - which is one subnet, and likewise
10.0.0.0 for the other one. In otherf words, when using a mask of
255.255.255.0 all devices with IP addresses starting with 192.168.0 are
deemed to be in the same network, regardless of the value of the value of
the final octet. Hope that makes sense!

>
>
> ah ... in Outlook Express, you get the option to choose which
> 'connectiod' to use, so i guess if you have LAN1 and LAN2, you could
> choose the required one.
>
Maybe. I've never had 2 LANs to see what it does!

> However, as i'm going to be using AOL on the 2nd line, then i might
> get away with it, as AOL is a self contained 'entity' not generally
> relying on external configuration, at least, not the way some apps
> utilise whichever settings you have in IE for their connection
> preferences, that's how IUI.
>
> I'd simply need AOL to be configured to connect via 'n' router, and
> that would be it ... ?
>
> It must be possible to operate on 2 LANS, selectively choosing which
> one you wish to utilise at any given time?

You should be able to disable each network card when required, but it may
require a re-boot to take effect - which could be a tad inconvenient!
--
Cheers,
Tim
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:13:04 +0100, Tx2
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>Is it possible that in the event of having 2 separate phone lines with
>ADSL on each, you could 'run' them into 1 PC, and use them individually?
>
>I have Plusnet ADSL at present on line 1, but am considering getting a
>2nd provider on line 2, namely AOL (i have reasons for doing this which
>aren't covered by the scope of this group)
>
>So, the scenario would be ... use Firefox, News and Email clients on
>Plusnet ADSL, along with logging into AOL at the same time, all on the
>same PC.
>
>Clearly i would have to utilise separate connection hardware (i'd
>probably have 2 routers if such an idea is possible)
>
>I'm a bit unsure quite how i'd have twin LAN's set up, or even how i'd
>get the relevant software to use a specific one.
>
>Ideas, advice, possibilities ... TIA

Configure both ADSL routers so they're on the same IP address range
and subnet on your LAN, plug them into a switch, plug your PC into the
same switch, configure it so it's on the same range/subnet.

You can set multiple gateways for your ethernet card in network
settings.

Then, depending on which connection you want to use for particular
traffic, you'd have to configure your ethernet card's routing table.
It's easy to do from a DOS prompt.

For example:

LAN: 10.10.1.0/255.255.255.0
Plusnet router (LAN side): 10.10.1.1/255.255.255.0
AOL router (LAN side): 10.10.1.2/255.255.255.0
PC: 10.10.1.3/255.255.255.0

In advanced TCP/IP settings on the PC, add 10.10.1.1 and 10.10.1.2 as
default gateways. Set 10.10.1.2 as the highest priority, assuming you
want to use the AOL connection for all traffic unless otherwise
specified.

Open a DOS window. Assuming the IP address of the News server you
want to use is 123.123.231.231 (obviously made up), and that you want
to connect to it via the Plusnet connection, type:
route add 123.123.231.231 MASK 255.255.255.255 10.10.1.1 -p

This says that the gateway to use for that IP address (and only that
IP address, as specified by the subnet mask of 255.255.255.255) is the
Plusnet router (10.10.1.1). The -p makes the change persistent across
system reboots.

Add other routes as required.

All other traffic will use the AOL gateway by default.

HTH

Jake