2 lans and IE

HI

Overview: 1. We have one lan used for internal and back to main
company HQ. (We can access the internet with this but it is very - very
slow)

2. we decided to to install a wireless ADSL router with internet access
- so we could our own independent faster internet access !!!!

3. installed wirless cards on PC's (which also have PCI NICs)

Problem; we can access fast internet access now ... but we need to aslo
use IE to access company web and specialist site(which is only
accessable through Wired LAN).

How can we a use
a.IE to access 2 differnet lans(internet) ?
b. Mozilla -no good - one of our key general sites does not support it
! other suggestions ?

both lans are on differnet IP' s LAN 1 10.x.x.x Lan2 192.X.X

also one program draws data from old lan (LAN1 10.x.x.x)

Thanks

Ramrod

"ramrod" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> HI
>
> Overview: 1. We have one lan used for internal and back to main
> company HQ. (We can access the internet with this but it is very - very
> slow)
>
> 2. we decided to to install a wireless ADSL router with internet access
> - so we could our own independent faster internet access !!!!
>
> 3. installed wirless cards on PC's (which also have PCI NICs)
>
> Problem; we can access fast internet access now ... but we need to aslo
> use IE to access company web and specialist site(which is only
> accessable through Wired LAN).
>
> How can we a use
> a.IE to access 2 differnet lans(internet) ?
> b. Mozilla -no good - one of our key general sites does not support it
> ! other suggestions ?
>
> both lans are on differnet IP' s LAN 1 10.x.x.x Lan2 192.X.X
>
> also one program draws data from old lan (LAN1 10.x.x.x)
>

The computer itself can only access one network at a time weather it be
wired or wireless, that I know about..

Duane

ramrod wrote:
> HI
>
> Overview: 1. We have one lan used for internal and back to main
> company HQ. (We can access the internet with this but it is very -
> very slow)
>
> 2. we decided to to install a wireless ADSL router with internet
> access - so we could our own independent faster internet access !!!!
>
> 3. installed wirless cards on PC's (which also have PCI NICs)
>
> Problem; we can access fast internet access now ... but we need to
> aslo use IE to access company web and specialist site(which is only
> accessable through Wired LAN).
>
> How can we a use
> a.IE to access 2 differnet lans(internet) ?
> b. Mozilla -no good - one of our key general sites does not support it
> ! other suggestions ?
>
> both lans are on differnet IP' s LAN 1 10.x.x.x Lan2 192.X.X
>
> also one program draws data from old lan (LAN1 10.x.x.x)
>
> Thanks
>
> Ramrod

Have you considered bridging the two? (IE bridge lan1 and lan 2 on one of
the machines that is usually on)

Peter Pan wrote:
> ramrod wrote:
> > HI
> >
> > Overview: 1. We have one lan used for internal and back to main
> > company HQ. (We can access the internet with this but it is very -
> > very slow)
> >
> > 2. we decided to to install a wireless ADSL router with internet
> > access - so we could our own independent faster internet access !!!!
> >
> > 3. installed wirless cards on PC's (which also have PCI NICs)
> >
> > Problem; we can access fast internet access now ... but we need to
> > aslo use IE to access company web and specialist site(which is only
> > accessable through Wired LAN).
> >
> > How can we a use
> > a.IE to access 2 differnet lans(internet) ?
> > b. Mozilla -no good - one of our key general sites does not support it
> > ! other suggestions ?
> >
> > both lans are on differnet IP' s LAN 1 10.x.x.x Lan2 192.X.X
> >
> > also one program draws data from old lan (LAN1 10.x.x.x)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ramrod
>
> Have you considered bridging the two? (IE bridge lan1 and lan 2 on one of
> the machines that is usually on)

Can your give me some guidence on how to do this - Thank you

Ramrod

"ramrod" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> ramrod wrote:
>> > HI
>> >
>> > Overview: 1. We have one lan used for internal and back to main
>> > company HQ. (We can access the internet with this but it is very -
>> > very slow)
>> >
>> > 2. we decided to to install a wireless ADSL router with internet
>> > access - so we could our own independent faster internet access !!!!
>> >
>> > 3. installed wirless cards on PC's (which also have PCI NICs)
>> >
>> > Problem; we can access fast internet access now ... but we need to
>> > aslo use IE to access company web and specialist site(which is only
>> > accessable through Wired LAN).
>> >
>> > How can we a use
>> > a.IE to access 2 differnet lans(internet) ?
>> > b. Mozilla -no good - one of our key general sites does not support it
>> > ! other suggestions ?
>> >
>> > both lans are on differnet IP' s LAN 1 10.x.x.x Lan2 192.X.X
>> >
>> > also one program draws data from old lan (LAN1 10.x.x.x)
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Ramrod
>>
>> Have you considered bridging the two? (IE bridge lan1 and lan 2 on one of
>> the machines that is usually on)
>
> Can your give me some guidence on how to do this - Thank you

I don't see how bridging networks a wired and a wireless one is going to
allow a single machine using IE to know when to access one network as
opposed to another network.

A bridge is between the two networks so that wired and wireless machine can
act as one physical network.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_bridge

In either case of LAN 1 10.x.x.x or Lan2 192.X.X even with a bridge, a
computer in your case can only be connected to one physical LAN with an IP.
It can't be connected to two LAN(s) simultaneously with two IP(s) in this
case. You cannot come across a network with software such as IE and use that
machine as if it's part of the other network. It's impossible.

However, it is possible through the bridging of the two networks and
machines on both sides of the bridging can see each other, that you could
use a single machine on the other side in a RDS or Terminal situation with
multiple connections with multiple uses on both LAN(s) using that one
machine to access the Internet using IE on that machine.

Maybe with Terminal Services or RDS. I hear RDS can have multiple RDS
sessions as well if set-up properly.

http://ask-leo.com/how_can_i_access_..._remotely.html

Duane

ramrod wrote:
> HI
>
> Overview: 1. We have one lan used for internal and back to main
> company HQ. (We can access the internet with this but it is very - very
> slow)
>
> 2. we decided to to install a wireless ADSL router with internet access
> - so we could our own independent faster internet access !!!!
>
> 3. installed wirless cards on PC's (which also have PCI NICs)
>
> Problem; we can access fast internet access now ... but we need to aslo
> use IE to access company web and specialist site(which is only
> accessable through Wired LAN).
>
> How can we a use
> a.IE to access 2 differnet lans(internet) ?
> b. Mozilla -no good - one of our key general sites does not support it
> ! other suggestions ?
>
> both lans are on differnet IP' s LAN 1 10.x.x.x Lan2 192.X.X
>
> also one program draws data from old lan (LAN1 10.x.x.x)


Well get the main router that connects you to your wan to advertise the
adsl router as the router of last resort.

ie stuf it knows about routes via the corporate lan other wise it goes
to the internet.

any packets to internal systems got to the main wan anything else goes
to

Are you ABSOLUTELY sure your not going to get disemboweled by the
headoffice network/security guys you realy should do this unless you
know what you are doing.

ramrod wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> ramrod wrote:
>>> HI
>>>
>>> Overview: 1. We have one lan used for internal and back to main
>>> company HQ. (We can access the internet with this but it is very -
>>> very slow)
>>>
>>> 2. we decided to to install a wireless ADSL router with internet
>>> access - so we could our own independent faster internet access !!!!
>>>
>>> 3. installed wirless cards on PC's (which also have PCI NICs)
>>>
>>> Problem; we can access fast internet access now ... but we need to
>>> aslo use IE to access company web and specialist site(which is only
>>> accessable through Wired LAN).
>>>
>>> How can we a use
>>> a.IE to access 2 differnet lans(internet) ?
>>> b. Mozilla -no good - one of our key general sites does not support
>>> it ! other suggestions ?
>>>
>>> both lans are on differnet IP' s LAN 1 10.x.x.x Lan2 192.X.X
>>>
>>> also one program draws data from old lan (LAN1 10.x.x.x)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Ramrod
>>
>> Have you considered bridging the two? (IE bridge lan1 and lan 2 on
>> one of the machines that is usually on)
>
> Can your give me some guidence on how to do this - Thank you
>
> Ramrod

Another post in this thread by Duane gives more info, and a link to a place
for more info

A bridge is between the two networks so that wired and wireless machine can
act as one physical network.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_bridge

Read his post and see that wiki for how to do it....

One addition, if you know the ip address (4 hex numbers seperated by
periods), in many cases you can go directly there from the browser by typing
it instead of the www thing.. The www address is actually resolved to 4 hex
digits anyway.. (IE mine are all similar, but I can use 192.168.1.4 is my
local network storage, 192.168.7.77 is a dialup modem on the network,
192.168.2.100 is my Bluetooth AP etc)...

I wonder, if you bridge, if you could just use the same browser but instead
of the www address that has to be resolved, if you could just type in the
10.x.x.x address to go to where you want)

"ramrod" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> HI
>
> Overview: 1. We have one lan used for internal and back to main
> company HQ. (We can access the internet with this but it is very - very
> slow)
>
> 2. we decided to to install a wireless ADSL router with internet access
> - so we could our own independent faster internet access !!!!
>
> 3. installed wirless cards on PC's (which also have PCI NICs)
>
> Problem; we can access fast internet access now ... but we need to aslo
> use IE to access company web and specialist site(which is only
> accessable through Wired LAN).
>
> How can we a use
> a.IE to access 2 differnet lans(internet) ?

This isnt an IE problem - it is IP based. luckily Windows NT and derivatives
do handle IP routing and /or multi interface config.

So - assuming that you dont have security / firewalls / restrictions on each
PC that get in the way...

what you have to do is get the PC to make sensible decisions about which
interface to use for which destination subnets.

if you run "netstat -r" at a command line prompt you will see the local PC
routing table.
here is part of one for my w2k PC with only 1 LAN connected - XP should show
the same kind of display.
================================================== =========================
Active Routes:
Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric
0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.25 1
127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1
192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.25 192.168.0.25 1
192.168.0.25 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1
192.168.0.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.0.25 192.168.0.25 1
224.0.0.0 224.0.0.0 192.168.0.25 192.168.0.25 1
255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.0.25 192.168.0.25 1
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
================================================== =========================
192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.25 192.168.0.25 1
is the entry for the subnet connected to the Ethernet - you should have
entries in for both the local LAN interfaces.
the default gateway tells you which "way" the PC will send packets to
addresses not covered by the routing table.

if this doesnt work, then it probably means your local and corporate
networks have multiple subnets and you are going to have to add static
routes to override the default gateway setting for some destinations.

exactly what to set is going to depend on the subnets used - and may well
change if "corporate" alter the network design.

so you will end up with a complex set of config on each PC (and some PCs may
not allow you to set this up - eg older versions of Windoze).

> b. Mozilla -no good - one of our key general sites does not support it
> ! other suggestions ?
>
> both lans are on differnet IP' s LAN 1 10.x.x.x Lan2 192.X.X
>
> also one program draws data from old lan (LAN1 10.x.x.x)

i suspect the overall network is more complicated, and this will be tedious
to fully set up, and more difficult to test and maintain.

So - you can do this, but it is going to cause some ongoing hassle.

i suggest you "fix" this properly, forget about the separate wireless
network and get a local Internet feed integrated with the router that feeds
the corporate WAN.

After all - faster Internet is the reason you said you were doing this, and
hooking it into the common internal network fixes it for visitors with
laptops and so on, as well as local based PC users.

Also - you corporate network guys will then be able to sort out your
firewall, maintain the kit, get the internet feed fixed when it breaks, and
respond to any intrusion attempts.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ramrod
--
Regards

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"Peter Pan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> ramrod wrote:
>> Peter Pan wrote:
>>> ramrod wrote:
>>>> HI
>>>>
>>>> Overview: 1. We have one lan used for internal and back to main
>>>> company HQ. (We can access the internet with this but it is very -
>>>> very slow)
>>>>
>>>> 2. we decided to to install a wireless ADSL router with internet
>>>> access - so we could our own independent faster internet access !!!!
>>>>
>>>> 3. installed wirless cards on PC's (which also have PCI NICs)
>>>>
>>>> Problem; we can access fast internet access now ... but we need to
>>>> aslo use IE to access company web and specialist site(which is only
>>>> accessable through Wired LAN).
>>>>
>>>> How can we a use
>>>> a.IE to access 2 differnet lans(internet) ?
>>>> b. Mozilla -no good - one of our key general sites does not support
>>>> it ! other suggestions ?
>>>>
>>>> both lans are on differnet IP' s LAN 1 10.x.x.x Lan2 192.X.X
>>>>
>>>> also one program draws data from old lan (LAN1 10.x.x.x)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Ramrod
>>>
>>> Have you considered bridging the two? (IE bridge lan1 and lan 2 on
>>> one of the machines that is usually on)
>>
>> Can your give me some guidence on how to do this - Thank you
>>
>> Ramrod
>
> Another post in this thread by Duane gives more info, and a link to a
> place for more info
>
> A bridge is between the two networks so that wired and wireless machine
> can
> act as one physical network.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_bridge
>
> Read his post and see that wiki for how to do it....
>
> One addition, if you know the ip address (4 hex numbers seperated by
> periods), in many cases you can go directly there from the browser by
> typing it instead of the www thing.. The www address is actually resolved
> to 4 hex digits anyway.. (IE mine are all similar, but I can use
> 192.168.1.4 is my local network storage, 192.168.7.77 is a dialup modem on
> the network, 192.168.2.100 is my Bluetooth AP etc)...


>
> I wonder, if you bridge, if you could just use the same browser but
> instead of the www address that has to be resolved, if you could just type
> in the 10.x.x.x address to go to where you want)

The only place the 10.x.x.x IP will lead to, which is a LAN IP on the other
network, is to the machine that has the LAN IP. The machine will be a WEB or
FTP server, since this is a browser being used. They do have RDS via a
browser over the Internet, which I use to RDS to my machine at work.

Or you can use Terminal Services via a LAN or WAN connection so that
mutiple users LAN or WAN can run applications from a Terminal Server as if
they were there at th machine running them, which RDS can do as well LAN or
WAN, but with not as many connections as a Server O/S, if it's a XP Pro
workstation that only allows 10 concurrent connections.

Duane

I would set up a proxy machine. Have one machine that connects to the
DSL/internet line and to the 10.x.x.x line. Set up a proxy server on
that machine to use the DSL connection as the connection to the
internet. The have everybody point their browser proxy to the 10.x.x.x
address of the proxy machine and set up exceptions so the browser
doesn't use the proxy for internal (10.x.x.x) addresses. This way it
can see both worlds. there are many free proxy server apps out there
that could do this for you.


ramrod wrote:
> HI
>
> Overview: 1. We have one lan used for internal and back to main
> company HQ. (We can access the internet with this but it is very - very
> slow)
>
> 2. we decided to to install a wireless ADSL router with internet access
> - so we could our own independent faster internet access !!!!
>
> 3. installed wirless cards on PC's (which also have PCI NICs)
>
> Problem; we can access fast internet access now ... but we need to aslo
> use IE to access company web and specialist site(which is only
> accessable through Wired LAN).
>
> How can we a use
> a.IE to access 2 differnet lans(internet) ?
> b. Mozilla -no good - one of our key general sites does not support it
> ! other suggestions ?
>
> both lans are on differnet IP' s LAN 1 10.x.x.x Lan2 192.X.X
>
> also one program draws data from old lan (LAN1 10.x.x.x)
>
> Thanks
>
> Ramrod
>