1000' Wifi to share internet connection in the Philippines...

Hello, I was hoping somebody out there in alt.internet.wireless could
help me with some advice.

I live in the Philippines "off the mainland" (ie, not on the main
island of Luzon, where Manila is). Our local "ISP" (on the island I
live on, Mindoro) has a very fast, good connection to the mainland
(2Mb Microwave line over water 2 miles to southern Luzon).
Reliability and speed are quite good, especially considering its the
Philippines :-)

I am about 1.25 miles from the ISPs network equipment, and wish to buy
DSL like service from him (I am currently on dialup, which sucks). He
does not support DSL, but is willing to work with me on a package. He
has had good success using the Patton 2156/2157 ethernet over
telephone wire to go 1 mile.

So we will use the Pattons to go the first 1 mile or so. That is
known to work well, and is not what my question is about.

Since the cost for this will be quite high, I wish to share (with the
ISPs blessing) this internet connection with a friend about 1000' away
from me. There is a Cat5 connection that comes out of the back of the
"remote" Patton that can plug into something.

This 1000' is direct line of sight, no obstructions. I am hoping Wifi
can help with this last 1000' of distance.

I am almost positive the following will work, but I was hoping for a
simpler configuration :

Internet (E1 microwave to the "mainland") -> Patton Base station
(2157)-> 1 mile over copper phone wire -> Patton remote station ->
Linksys 4 port hub

Linksys hub port 1 -> Linksys WAP54G, bridging mode -> Yagi
directional Antenna -> 1000' of air -> Yagi directional Antenna ->
WAP54g, bridging mode -> Cat5 50' line from top floor (25-30' feet
vertical height or so) -> Linksys WRT54G (routable IP addr #1) ->
computers, PDA, notebook, etc (NAT'd)

Linksys hub port 2 -> Linksys WRT54G (routable IP addr #2) ->
computers, PDA, notebook, etc (NAT'd)

I am the Linksys hub port 1 :-(

I chose the WAP54g cuz of WPA rather than WEP. I only purchased 128Kb
out
of the total 2Mb line, so bandwidth loss due to distance is not an
issue I think :-)

cost :
Antennas (15dbi gain whatever that means) = $100 each.
WAP54gs = $90 each.
already have the WRT54gs, so no additional cost

No estimated cost for frustration factor yet :-)

Joe

Joe wrote:
> Hello, I was hoping somebody out there in alt.internet.wireless could
> help me with some advice.
>
> I live in the Philippines "off the mainland" (ie, not on the main
> island of Luzon, where Manila is). Our local "ISP" (on the island I
> live on, Mindoro) has a very fast, good connection to the mainland
> (2Mb Microwave line over water 2 miles to southern Luzon).
> Reliability and speed are quite good, especially considering its the
> Philippines :-)
>
> I am about 1.25 miles from the ISPs network equipment, and wish to buy
> DSL like service from him (I am currently on dialup, which sucks). He
> does not support DSL, but is willing to work with me on a package. He
> has had good success using the Patton 2156/2157 ethernet over
> telephone wire to go 1 mile.
>
> So we will use the Pattons to go the first 1 mile or so. That is
> known to work well, and is not what my question is about.
>
> Since the cost for this will be quite high, I wish to share (with the
> ISPs blessing) this internet connection with a friend about 1000' away
> from me. There is a Cat5 connection that comes out of the back of the
> "remote" Patton that can plug into something.
>
> This 1000' is direct line of sight, no obstructions. I am hoping Wifi
> can help with this last 1000' of distance.
>
> I am almost positive the following will work, but I was hoping for a
> simpler configuration :
>
> Internet (E1 microwave to the "mainland") -> Patton Base station
> (2157)-> 1 mile over copper phone wire -> Patton remote station ->
> Linksys 4 port hub
>
> Linksys hub port 1 -> Linksys WAP54G, bridging mode -> Yagi
> directional Antenna -> 1000' of air -> Yagi directional Antenna ->
> WAP54g, bridging mode -> Cat5 50' line from top floor (25-30' feet
> vertical height or so) -> Linksys WRT54G (routable IP addr #1) ->
> computers, PDA, notebook, etc (NAT'd)
>
> Linksys hub port 2 -> Linksys WRT54G (routable IP addr #2) ->
> computers, PDA, notebook, etc (NAT'd)
>
> I am the Linksys hub port 1 :-(
>
> I chose the WAP54g cuz of WPA rather than WEP. I only purchased 128Kb
> out
> of the total 2Mb line, so bandwidth loss due to distance is not an
> issue I think :-)
>
> cost :
> Antennas (15dbi gain whatever that means) = $100 each.
> WAP54gs = $90 each.
> already have the WRT54gs, so no additional cost
>
> No estimated cost for frustration factor yet :-)
>
> Joe

I haven't worked with the WAP54g but saw this article:
http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/WAP54G
Says it works at 22mW by default, not a whole lot of power, but maybe
enough.

And $100 for each antenna is too much I'd think. Look at:
http://www.fab-corp.com/ Click on the panel antenna link and look at the
Maxrad WISP panels. I've had really good luck with them and they're not
very expensive. I have one 13dbi antenna connecting to an AP at well
over 2 miles with good signal.

Ah, thank you. Biggest problem with living on an island in the Philippines
is that we have very little access to gadgets. These antennas are about as
good as I can get my hands on. If I was back in the states, ya, I'll bet a
lot cheaper.

22mW, is that "good" or "bad" :-) ie, how does that relate to other
commercially available products from companies like DLink, Netgear, etc?

2 *miles* ? Really? OK, I feel a whole lot better about my situation now.

Thanks again,

Joe

"Rôgêr" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Joe wrote:
>> ...... deleted for brevity

> > Joe
>
> I haven't worked with the WAP54g but saw this article:
> http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/WAP54G
> Says it works at 22mW by default, not a whole lot of power, but maybe
> enough.
>
> And $100 for each antenna is too much I'd think. Look at:
> http://www.fab-corp.com/ Click on the panel antenna link and look at the
> Maxrad WISP panels. I've had really good luck with them and they're not
> very expensive. I have one 13dbi antenna connecting to an AP at well
> over 2 miles with good signal.
>

22mW isn't very powerful. It may be sufficient, but only testing will
confirm one way or another. In the article on the website I referred to
it tells how to flash the firmware to up the power, but it's pretty
intense, not recommended for the average user.

At http://tinyurl.com/vphh you'll see quite a few different devices
compared. Most of it is for 802.11b, not the newer "g" technology. But
the "b" is more than fast enough for what you are wanting to accomplish.

As for the yagi antennas, if thats what you have available then I'm sure
they will be just fine. The amount of signal gain is measured in "dbi"
so it doesn't matter if it's a yagi or panel or whatever.

If you have clear line of sight back to the ISP's network, I'd use
wireless to make that link instead of the costly DSL way you're
discussing. But if it's not clear line of sight, you'd have to use some
pretty expensive equipment to do it the wireless way.

Joe wrote:
> Ah, thank you. Biggest problem with living on an island in the Philippines
> is that we have very little access to gadgets. These antennas are about as
> good as I can get my hands on. If I was back in the states, ya, I'll bet a
> lot cheaper.
>
> 22mW, is that "good" or "bad" :-) ie, how does that relate to other
> commercially available products from companies like DLink, Netgear, etc?
>
> 2 *miles* ? Really? OK, I feel a whole lot better about my situation now.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Joe
>
> "Rôgêr" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>> ...... deleted for brevity
>
>
>>>Joe
>>
>>I haven't worked with the WAP54g but saw this article:
>>http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/WAP54G
>>Says it works at 22mW by default, not a whole lot of power, but maybe
>>enough.
>>
>>And $100 for each antenna is too much I'd think. Look at:
>>http://www.fab-corp.com/ Click on the panel antenna link and look at the
>>Maxrad WISP panels. I've had really good luck with them and they're not
>>very expensive. I have one 13dbi antenna connecting to an AP at well
>>over 2 miles with good signal.
>>
>
>
>
>
>

"Rôgêr" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> 22mW isn't very powerful. It may be sufficient, but only testing will
> confirm one way or another. In the article on the website I referred to
> it tells how to flash the firmware to up the power, but it's pretty
> intense, not recommended for the average user.
>
> At http://tinyurl.com/vphh you'll see quite a few different devices
> compared. Most of it is for 802.11b, not the newer "g" technology. But
> the "b" is more than fast enough for what you are wanting to accomplish.
>
> As for the yagi antennas, if thats what you have available then I'm sure
> they will be just fine. The amount of signal gain is measured in "dbi"
> so it doesn't matter if it's a yagi or panel or whatever.
>
> If you have clear line of sight back to the ISP's network, I'd use
> wireless to make that link instead of the costly DSL way you're
> discussing. But if it's not clear line of sight, you'd have to use some
> pretty expensive equipment to do it the wireless way.
>
> Joe wrote:
> > Ah, thank you. Biggest problem with living on an island in the
Philippines
> > is that we have very little access to gadgets. These antennas are about
as
> > good as I can get my hands on. If I was back in the states, ya, I'll
bet a
> > lot cheaper.
> >
> > 22mW, is that "good" or "bad" :-) ie, how does that relate to other
> > commercially available products from companies like DLink, Netgear, etc?
> >
> > 2 *miles* ? Really? OK, I feel a whole lot better about my situation
now.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > "Rôgêr" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> >>Joe wrote:
> >>
> >>> ...... deleted for brevity
> >
> >
> >>>Joe
> >>
> >>I haven't worked with the WAP54g but saw this article:
> >>http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/WAP54G
> >>Says it works at 22mW by default, not a whole lot of power, but maybe
> >>enough.
> >>
> >>And $100 for each antenna is too much I'd think. Look at:
> >>http://www.fab-corp.com/ Click on the panel antenna link and look at the
> >>Maxrad WISP panels. I've had really good luck with them and they're not
> >>very expensive. I have one 13dbi antenna connecting to an AP at well
> >>over 2 miles with good signal.
> >>
> >

One wonders whether the ISP would not co-operate in installing long range
WAPs as part of it's offering ...
It seemed to be keen to help extend it's range ... and with Wifi this could
go so much further ... cheaply...

John